Brandishing Bills Vetoed

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Michigan Open Carry, Inc’s attempt to define what it means to “brandish” in Michigan has resulted in a veto from Governor Snyder, though the situation is complicated and not as bad as it sounds. Read on for the full story.

In the fall of 2013 we announced two bills, HB 5091 (Johnson (R) Clare) and HB 5092 (Dillon (D) Grand Rapids), that would define what it means to “brandish” in Michigan. More on that here.

Once the bills started moving through the Legislature they moved quickly and with significant support. They were reported out of each committee unanimously and when the House voted on them, they approved the package with over 95% voting in favor. That was, until the bills reached the floor of the Senate in April.

We can’t say for certain why the bills stalled at this point but inside information pointed to two things. First, Governor Snyder reportedly indicated to leadership that he didn’t want to deal with any firearm related bills until after the elections in November and second, Republican Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville reportedly didn’t want to move a firearm related bill from a Democrat. Whatever the real reason was, it was clear we were going to have to wait and attempt to work in the limited and hectic timeframe of lame duck. Politics.

Meanwhile, an unrelated package of 7 bills called the “Airgun Package”, which mainly redefined “firearm” in Michigan to exclude airsoft and paintball guns, was also working its way through the legislature. This package received similar treatment and also stalled until the lame duck session after the elections.

Fast forward a bit to late December. With only a few session days left before the Legislature adjourned sine die everyone was busy trying to get their bills across the finish line before time ran out. In a last ditch effort to save what everyone had worked for, Rep. Johnson was able to amend the “brandish” definition from HB 5092 into one of the airgun bills from the Senate (SB 965), which had begun moving again. At the same time, the Senate broke the tie-bar between the two brandishing bills and moved HB 5091 alone. The end legislative result would still be the same, but now the Democrat was out of the process. As disappointing as the loss of bipartisanship was to us, we understood it was what had to be done. The limited time frame imposed by Governor Snyder called for drastic actions. Politics.

A few days later, both HB 5091 and SB 965 had been passed and sent to Governor Snyder. Things were looking up and we were starting to feel victorious. A sense of victory from the jaws of defeat if you will. Then we received word that Governor Snyder was going to veto the airgun bills. Lame duck is a crazy time and on the last day of the session, after working until 5:30am, the Senate adjourned suddenly after having only passed 4 of the 7 bills in the Airgun Package. The lack of the complete package would have created inconsistencies in the law and it was deemed, by all parties, that it would be better to veto the 4 passed bills and redo the entire package next session. Since HB 5092 had been moved into SB 965, that meant our brandishing definition efforts would suffer the same fate and HB 5091 was vetoed too.

Here is the veto letter from Governor Snyder.

Now if you are still with us, you will remember we mentioned in the beginning that the situation is not as bad as it seems. This is because arrangements have already been made to move an 8 bill “Airgun-Brandishing” package early and quickly next session. There is new leadership in both the House and the Senate and both, along with the Governor’s office, have reportedly signed off and committed.

We are once again feeling optimistic, though we are not taking anything for granted. We will be working diligently to ensure that all commitments are lived up to. Expect to see new bills submitted early on and, if promises are kept, moved quickly to the Governor.

Lastly, we want to make sure we convey a very sincere thank you to Representatives Johnson and Dillon for their hard work. Please click on their names at the top and send them a thank you too.

Stay tuned.

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  13 comments for “Brandishing Bills Vetoed

  1. Corinthian Scales
    January 7, 2015 at 9:38 am

    Strategy has little foresight with your *deals* with the Michael Bloomberg funded Nerd.

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    • Tom Lambert
      January 7, 2015 at 9:49 am

      Your first link comes to the wrong conclusion and is entirely unrelated to this article.

      The second is why it was nice to have bipartisan support behind a bill effectively codifying Open Carry.

      As for the third, MOC was the only pro-gun group to criticize Snyder before the last election.

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      • Corinthian Scales
        January 7, 2015 at 9:58 am

        In the big picture, all my links come to the appropriate conclusion any time one is involved with peddling 2A legislation. You may not like that but, it is fact.

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        • Tom Lambert
          January 7, 2015 at 10:03 am

          And what conclusion is that?

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          • Corinthian Scales
            January 7, 2015 at 10:13 am

            Do you read yet remain challenged to comprehend?

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            • January 7, 2015 at 10:24 am

              Bottom line up front, mother f**cker - do you have one?

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              • Corinthian Scales
                January 7, 2015 at 10:31 am

                Ya, that impresses.

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                • JD
                  January 8, 2015 at 7:38 am

                  It continues to amaze me that these issues are (always) discussed in terms of 'what happened' as opposed to 'how do we make certain that this never happens again'.
                  Getting rid of the lame duck (for good) is probably the single most bipartisan issue in the state right now due to Right To Work being still so fresh in everyone's mind for varying reasons. Conversely, we would all rather sit around and complain about what the lame duck 'brought' rather than to reach across the aisle and rally around what we ALL can agree on and/or gain political power directly from (see FOIA reform, tort reform, requiring roll call voting, transparency and too many other commonly held beliefs to list here).

                  If we give these people political cover they'll use it plain and simple.
                  I'd rather work at dismantling those places to hide while at the same time (possibly) destroying a few political careers over any refusal to do so.

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  2. 10x25mm
    January 8, 2015 at 9:33 am

    It would be nice if these bills get resurrected in the 2015 Legislature, but the Airgun Package was killed by legislative sleight of hand after Mayor Duggan 'guided' Governor Snyder. The payoff for Governor Snyder was Mayor Duggan keeping the Detroit crazies, who are largely city funded, from getting too involved in the gubernatorial election. A major reason Snyder outperformed Land on November 4th.

    It is not likely that Mayor Duggan's antipathy to gun owners has slackened, nor is it likely that Governor Snyder is any less beholden to Mayor Duggan.

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  3. JDD
    January 8, 2015 at 10:47 am

    (10x25mm said):
    "...the Airgun Package was killed by legislative sleight of hand after Mayor Duggan 'guided' Governor Snyder. The payoff for Governor Snyder was Mayor Duggan keeping the Detroit crazies, who are largely city funded, from getting too involved in the gubernatorial election..."

    .Friday, Jan. 2, 2015
    LANSING, Mich. — Gov. Rick Snyder today signed legislation allowing the Michigan Strategic Fund Board to create an additional Next Michigan Development Corp. for the city of Detroit.
    Development corporations connect participants to real estate and personal property tax abatements, finance plans and renaissance zones...

    When it comes to the corruption that has surrounded Detroit/our legislature/governor this past couldn't make this stuff up.

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