STATESMEN VS POLITICIANS :
“The Greatest LIE in American Politics is this: THAT WHAT ONE IS OR DOES IN PRIVATE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW THEY ACT OR RULE IN PUBLIC.
We are told an Officials Political and Private lives are separate. That past failures are not to be considered as evidence of future possibilities. NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH, FOR ONE’S CHARACTER FROM WITHIN WILL BE REVEALED IN DUE TIME, WHILE IN PUBLIC OFFICE. WHILE THE PENDULUM SWINGS, PEOPLES LIVES, LIBERTY, AND PROPERTY HANG IN THE BALANCE.
IF YOU HAVE BEEN A POLITICIAN OR OFFICIAL, WHOSE RHETORIC IS INCONSISTENT, SWAYING WITH THE BREEZES, (or the winds of Donors) ALLIANCES OF THE MOMENT OVER-RIDING LONG TERM PRINCIPLES, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE FOOLED WITH YOUR CHANGING RHETORIC USED TO HIDE YOUR RECORD.
WE WILL KEEP THE STATESMAN, ELEVATE THOSE WE TRUST, THOSE WHO HAVE STOOD BY US, AND PROMOTE THE REST BACK TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF OUR REPUBLIC, THAT OF SIMPLE CITIZEN. PAST SERVICE WILL BE REWARDED WHEN DESERVED, AND DISMISSED WHEN APPROPRIATE.”
(Paraphrased) Plymouth Rock Foundation Executive Director, Paul Jehle
Webster’s Dictionary defines a Statesman as:
1: one versed in the principles or art of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government or in shaping its policies
2: one who exercises political leadership wisely and without narrow partisanship
Politician is defined as:
1: a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government
2 a: a person engaged in party politics as a profession b: a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons
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We should endeavor to elect Principled Statesmen who uphold a Rule of Law based philosophy of Government. Men and Women of Principle, who have proved their loyalties, and stood with us in the trenches. No longer should we reward those with questionable alliances or bases built on sand or political favors. Buying your way into the Arena will be acknowledged, but not immediately rewarded. Trust and credibility take time and a record of Standing Consistently on PRINCIPLES will lead to support. No longer should we give positions of power to those who seek Power for Powers sake.
Positions of authority, political offices should not be doled out as “Rewards” to those who have “put in their time”. Being around long enough that it is “Your Turn” to get elected is not enough. We will examine your Record, your efforts, your contributions.The Good, the Beneficial, the Bad, and at times the Ugly. Facts are not to be dismissed as “Silly attacks”, especially when the positions in question place people in the authority to make decisions impacting our Children, the young men and women who will be the future leaders of our State and Nation.
We are setting up an interesting and Dangerous Precedent. Any criticism of a candidates or officeholders Positions, or claimed positions, is off limits. The only truth is their current statement and spin. Even documenting evidence to the contrary, voting records, support of the Opposition, is pushed aside and ignored, Not by being proven wrong, but by making the charge that even presentation of facts is mudslinging. The facts and Evidence have taken a backseat to emotions. The seriousness of the Evidence is ignored, and the focus is instead been shifted not to the participants, but to the Messenger, and who they might be.
I too wish the creator of the site would step forward and Take credit. I challenge HE/SHE/THEM TO DO SO. I also Challenge the person who has made claims to have tracked down the IP ADDRESS to release the evidence, and thus expose the creator. Once the Pamphleteer is exposed, we can then have them arrested by the Kings soldiers, and placed in custody for trial, then put aboard a Prison ship. THEN MAYBE WE CAN FOCUS ON WHETHER THE INFORMATION ON THE SITE IS TRUE OR NOT, AND STOP TRYING TO SHOOT THE MESSENGER????
One mans shameful coward is another mans Patriot. Do we apply the same standards to :
- The HUNDREDS of Writers and Printers who published Anonymous Pamphlets For the 4 decades Prior to the Revolutionary war.
- “Common Sense” (The Coward Thomas Paine and his balless editor Benjamin Rush)
- The Anti Federalist Papers? (Cato (likely George Clinton), Brutus (likely Robert Yates), Centinel (Samuel Bryan), and the Federal Farmer (either Melancton Smith, Richard Henry Lee, or Mercy Otis Warren). Speeches by Patrick Henry and Smith also included as unattributed.
- The Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay
- The Original Sons of Liberty,
- The Participants in the Boston tea Party,
- Ben Franklin???
Those who do not KNOW History are doomed to Repeat it.
Those currently being blamed for creating the RINO Ron | Exploring the past of Ron Weiser website are usually more than willing to take credit, R Al Bain, Doug Sedenquist, Hardly men shy about their criticism of the establishment republicans. Why would these normally outspoken types, or anyone else hide behind anonymity? Some claim to have proof of who created the site. I challenge them to expose it. I will clearly state I have not the resources, Knowledge, or time to create a polished website. I had nothing to do with the creation of the site. I have contributed comments and further documentation on discussion threads. (Also Full disclosure, I am not on anyone’s Payroll.)
A time honored Political tactic, when damaging info is about to be released, is to expose your own faults First, (or have your Operatives do so) ask for sympathy, and get out in front of the attacks, and play the victim.
This is a risky maneuver, as it risks exposing the info to people that were previously unaware. The key to success, is to paint the attacks as Scurrilous, Underhanded, and mean. Having Prepared statements ready to release in response is also key. It works best when the attacks can be attributed to “Anonymous sources” afraid to stand on their convictions, thus making the truth of the charges irrelevant. When no one comes forward and takes credit, the attacks are dismissed, and the credibility is in question. (For the record, the Founding Fathers often Printed their criticisms under Pseudonyms and Fake names, due to threats to Life and Liberty). “
We cannot allow the debate to be squelched. The Founders understood this, making the Freedom of Speech part of our First Amendment of the Constitution .
Yes Criticism of others is at times disturbing, No where is it more so than in Politics. Controversy is divisive. The Truth is often both. It is hard to accept that nice people do not always do the right thing. It is so much easier to go along to get along. Messengers are often seen as Rude, Obnoxious, and are seldom welcome. But if we allow the call for Civility and Unity to replace Honest research and discussion of a Candidates record and allegiances, then we will never get to TRUTH.
Those with Ulterior motives should be considered questionable. Those who avoid an issue, or attack the Debate should be also. Those being PAID to spread a Message should have their Opinions and Rhetoric weighed with that in mind. Lies are easily exposed. Agendas need to be weighed, and taken into consideration, as do Loyalties and friendships. In the end though, THE ARENA OF IDEAS SHOULD BE AN OPEN DISCUSSION.
Another precedent that has occurred over the past few years is the concept of Political consulting and Politics in General, as Amoral and at times, Apolitical. Consultants make their money off Chaos. They profit off challengers, and make money when races are contested and thus the demand for their services is required. We often see this resulting in the idea that A consultant can be “Personally” a Conservative, Pro second Amendment, Pro-Life, etc, but at the same time take their thirty pieces of silver from those with opposing views and dismiss it as “Just Business.” Principles and Morality become all too often put aside, and consulting services become just Products, to be sold to the highest bidder, or even in some cases both sides. The really Dangerous part of this, is that we too often allow that Amoral attitude to then Trickle down into a Cloak for the candidates themselves.
The fact is that as recently as 2012 and as far back as the 1990’s Ron Weiser’s and the Devos Family donations to groups with ties to “Big tent” Moderate progressives, Common Core, Medicaid expansion, and the radical gay agenda expose a pattern. Some of these groups do good things at times. We did not reach the Constitutional crisis we are currently in overnight, it took almost a century of piecemeal chipping away at our Liberties to get here. Along the way a lot of Leaders did both good and bad things. Some by no malicious intent on their part, some by planned and directed efforts and policy.
Al Capone was considered a Philanthropist in the inner city of Chicago, and helped end Prohibition, but few would claim him to be a Freedom fighter and Defender of Liberty. (Insert cry of Outrage here).
Bad organizations will put up a false front and win people over with enticing proclamations. It is often not until they gain prominence, that their true agendas are exposed. This may often take years. (Freedom Fund, GLEP, GOPROUD, as examples). We are seeing a pattern of Supposed “Liberty groups” gaining a foothold, building their credibility, then going off in Agenda driven directions that are Polar opposites of their original goals.
If RinoRon is a consultant creation, We do have one past instance to draw upon for a Hint as to whom may be behind the site. When first created, the “MITeaPartyNews“. Hid behind a veil of anonymity, until exposed as a creation of a Consultant with ties to Pete Hoekstra?? (Trucker Randy actually was the first to expose this fact). A similar tactic was used by a Fake Grassroots for Hoekstra attack site run by the “Red shoes” ladies, used to undermine MI4CS and promote Pete Hoekstra.
Oddly enough this same consultant is preparing all the PAT responses to the criticisms and FACTS raised in the RinoRon site. Ron Weiser and his Hired Guns seemed readily prepared to counter the Facts listed on the site. (With admittedly weak explanations). Most of the information On the Mckinley group and Donations is PUBLIC info, factually documented, and has been going around behind the scenes for almost a year. Some has been released Piecemeal, and been topic of discussion before. This is merely speculation, based on past evidence, and connecting the dots.
What better way to sway opinion than make all the info Public, then immediately release confabulated explanations and denials, portraying the candidate as a Victim, rather than an accomplice, playing on sympathy, using the standard progressive tactic of using emotions to over ride factual evidence???? The focus is no longer the “FACTS”, But the “silliness and Meanness of the message.”
Alinsky would be proud.
Before the charges of yet another anonymous attack are made. I take full credit for the above.
OABTW, y'all's might want to push the camel's nose out from your tent: http://rivercitypatriots.ning.com/profile/MelanieFoster?xg_source=profiles_memberList
Another paid Operative comes out of the pit??
Care to share your real Name?
Me a paid "Operative"? Really. You are very new around here so, I'll let that little bit of Alisnky-esque paranoia slide. My real name? Publius.
" Paid operative"
Just how long have you been on this site, anyway?
Ludicrous charge - why should anyone pay for incoherence?
We have Multiple Politicians amongst our membership. None of our members are perfect. We welcome all, even establishment spies and Hacks. In the last 5 years we have only blocked a few people, and then only after they proved to be complete traitors to all sides.
Your tent - your problem.
Was merely a suggestion, dude.
Let us not forget about Melanie the Moocher, too.
One squishy-ass RINO down at Moo U, just Melanie's nasty-ass to go.
As the Roman Orator Cicero noted: Politicians are not born. They are excreted.
A so called "statesman" is a politician with a bigger ego than normal politicians. I always heard that term for people like Joe Schwarz or Bill Milliken. They did piss poor jobs, but are beloved by the media and chattering classes.
"statesman"? Some may even be County chairs.
Not sayin' "it's bullshit" just to piss you off, Dan.