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Urgent Action Alert - Republican Tax Hike Vote Today!!!

By KG One, Section News
Posted on Thu May 12, 2011 at 09:59:33 AM EST
Tags: Gov. Snyder Pension Tax Hike, Vote Today, Will there be enough republicans willing to sell their souls? (all tags)

Overly eager to flush their principles right down the toilet and face a possible recall for their troubles, Senate Republicans are set to vote on Gov. Snyder's Tax Hike sometime today.

Why might you ask?

That's a very good question.

{And away we go, below the fold}

There once was a time in which raising taxes, any taxes, ran contrary to the concept of limited government. Something the Republican Party purportedly once stood for.

Gov. Snyder apparently didn't bother to read that memo, and after convincing enough house republicans to commit political hari-kari, he's going to see how many Senate Republicans he can convince to do the same.

Gov. Snyder's secret weapon to get Republicans to support his tax hike proposals?

The word on the street is that all of the senate democrats are all steadfast against it.

If you're not too sure about how to contact your senator, this is a great link to begin.

Don't delay!

Let them know how your feel about raising taxes today!

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Urgent Action Alert - Republican Tax Hike Vote Today!!! | 76 comments (76 topical, 0 hidden)

Essentially.. (none / 0) (#1)
by JGillman on Thu May 12, 2011 at 12:54:45 PM EST

As I have pointed out before it is a re-arranging of the deck chairs.

Do you know what the thresholds are for falling out of the loophole? What is the dollar point?

It's a little bit of both, actually. (none / 0) (#2)
by KG One on Thu May 12, 2011 at 01:37:13 PM EST

The latest numbers that I heard was that if you are 67 years or older, any pension would NOT be touched.

If you are between 61 and 67 the first $60,000 is exempt.

How benevolent of our elected servants to allow people to actually keep their own money.

The artificial thresholds contained in this bill are only half the problem.

If Republicans feel that pension money is their own private personal kitty to tap when things are look bad, can you imagine what the democrats would do if/when they ever get in control?

the correct details by HouseStaffer, 05/12/2011 03:00:09 PM EST (none / 0)

I tend to agree by JGillman, 05/12/2011 03:15:06 PM EST (none / 0)
What would by grannynanny, 05/12/2011 03:55:16 PM EST (none / 0)

Tattoos by JGillman, 05/12/2011 04:24:37 PM EST (none / 0)

nonsense by goppartyreptile, 05/12/2011 04:36:26 PM EST (none / 0)

No, you are wrong by HouseStaffer, 05/13/2011 04:34:42 PM EST (none / 0)

yeah by goppartyreptile, 05/13/2011 06:53:04 PM EST (none / 0)

A valid argument, but the wrong solution. by KG One, 05/13/2011 11:17:35 AM EST (none / 0)

Yes sir! by Corinthian Scales, 05/13/2011 11:56:34 AM EST (none / 0)
so... by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 01:53:25 PM EST (none / 0)

Two points. by KG One, 05/13/2011 02:25:20 PM EST (none / 0)

gross? by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 02:45:10 PM EST (none / 0)

Yes, gross. by KG One, 05/13/2011 03:30:39 PM EST (none / 0)

silly by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 06:21:34 PM EST (none / 0)

Just for the record. by KG One, 05/14/2011 01:29:28 PM EST (none / 0)

"they" do by Tom McMillin, 05/14/2011 07:55:41 PM EST (none / 0)

Wiping out corporate welfare... by KG One, 05/14/2011 11:29:21 PM EST (none / 0)

It passed. Un f'ing believable (none / 0) (#8)
by Republican Michigander on Thu May 12, 2011 at 06:18:03 PM EST

With "friends" like this, who needs democrats. Too many damn lemmings in the party who will follow whoever is the so called leader, even if he's a RINO Dingell donor in Snyder.

If Granholm pushed this, would it pass? No it wouldn't.

Worse yet, this tax increase is over 1/5 of the budget. One fifth, since 4/5 can't be touched without constitutional amendment or federal battles regarding matching funds.

This is an absolute half assed joke. It's time for some primaries.

BTW - The Republicans who got it right were: (none / 0) (#9)
by Republican Michigander on Thu May 12, 2011 at 06:26:06 PM EST

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110512048

Sens. Dave Robertson (R-Grand Blanc), Jack Brandenburg (R-Harrison Twp.), Rick Jones (R-Grand Ledge), Pat Colbeck (R-Canton), Sen. Joe Hune (R-Hamburg), Dave Hildenbrand (R-Lowell), and Tory Rocca (R-Sterling Heights).

Thanks Joe. At least someone remembered what being a Republican is.

Colbeck voted for this in committee by Republican Michigander, 05/12/2011 06:50:21 PM EST (none / 0)
really? by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 10:36:49 PM EST (none / 0)

Nothing Republican about taxing seniors by Republican Michigander, 05/14/2011 12:50:05 AM EST (none / 0)

extra by Tom McMillin, 05/14/2011 06:31:26 AM EST (none / 0)

So are we to be relieved... by KG One, 05/14/2011 01:40:04 PM EST (none / 0)

cautiously optimistic? by Tom McMillin, 05/14/2011 07:53:12 PM EST (none / 0)

Given the legislatures actions just this week... by KG One, 05/14/2011 11:41:13 PM EST (none / 0)

bad actions by Tom McMillin, 05/14/2011 11:56:05 PM EST (none / 0)

I'll ask you this question again. by KG One, 05/15/2011 12:55:43 AM EST (none / 0)

mbt by Tom McMillin, 05/15/2011 06:35:18 AM EST (none / 0)

Just so you're hearing what I have to say in HD by KG One, 05/15/2011 07:33:27 PM EST (none / 0)

FairTax a tax hike or not??? (none / 0) (#11)
by Tom McMillin on Thu May 12, 2011 at 09:32:16 PM EST

What amazes me is that the same people who were so upset when Dems attacked GOP candidates who support FairTax as supporting a tax hike (because the sales tax goes up) are now saying this restoration of treating TAX DEFERRED pension income as...well, as income, is a tax increase -- when, just like the FairTax, the tax package passed today is a net tax cut - this was $450M tax cut.
IF the FairTax is not a "tax increase", then this package that I proudly voted YES on today was not a tax increase (which is what ATR Grover Norquist says - who's tax pledge I signed). OR if you are going to say my votes on the tax package was a net tax increase, then you had better be consistent and apologize to the Dems who lied about the FairTax being a tax increase. One or the other -- just be consistent. Either call lies, truth or...tell the truth.

And by the way, all the fill in of the $1.4B deficit (due to plugging holes with "stimulus" debt on our kids and grandkids) is with cuts. All cuts. And getting rid of Corporate Welfare. And if we can get rid of or change the Civil Service Commission, via a Constitutional Amendment, then we'll be able to make quicker changes to the 50,000 state employees....we're squeezing a ton out of gov't...and this is just four months into the process!

Problems are these by Republican Michigander, 05/12/2011 10:07:33 PM EST (none / 0)

um... by Tom McMillin, 05/12/2011 10:27:26 PM EST (none / 0)

Big difference here. by KG One, 05/13/2011 11:04:27 AM EST (none / 0)

ATR says no by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 01:27:00 PM EST (none / 0)

Okay... by KG One, 05/13/2011 03:09:15 PM EST (none / 0)

atr link by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 03:14:15 PM EST (none / 0)

I think that you're misunderstanding... by KG One, 05/13/2011 03:41:19 PM EST (none / 0)

no misunderstanding by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 06:23:41 PM EST (none / 0)

This issue is boiling down to how we look at it. by KG One, 05/14/2011 02:07:30 PM EST (none / 0)

Reminds me of the "services tax" scheme by Republican Michigander, 05/14/2011 05:06:19 PM EST (none / 0)

RM meet KG by Tom McMillin, 05/14/2011 07:48:10 PM EST (none / 0)

Okay, then enlighten us. by KG One, 05/15/2011 12:52:48 AM EST (none / 0)

delay doing right? by Tom McMillin, 05/15/2011 06:44:08 AM EST (none / 0)
bars by Tom McMillin, 05/15/2011 06:49:37 AM EST (none / 0)

Therein lies our diffference... by KG One, 05/15/2011 08:18:36 PM EST (none / 0)

A philosophical question by Pogo, 05/16/2011 02:13:21 AM EST (none / 0)

I've already answered that question already. by KG One, 05/16/2011 09:43:19 AM EST (none / 0)

be broad by Tom McMillin, 05/16/2011 10:06:11 AM EST (none / 0)

You of all people should know better than that! by KG One, 05/16/2011 10:37:44 AM EST (none / 0)

Add to it... by Corinthian Scales, 05/16/2011 12:27:36 PM EST (none / 0)

If this is the answer ... by Pogo, 05/16/2011 07:08:21 PM EST (none / 0)

Need to re-read, Pogo. by KG One, 05/16/2011 07:32:29 PM EST (none / 0)

Evasive Action by Pogo, 05/17/2011 03:43:58 AM EST (none / 0)

I did answer your question. by KG One, 05/17/2011 10:37:56 AM EST (none / 0)

Rah Roh... by Corinthian Scales, 07/21/2011 09:32:52 PM EST (none / 0)

Rah roh is an understatement! by KG One, 07/22/2011 11:37:05 AM EST (none / 0)

You'll note (none / 0) (#14)
by JGillman on Thu May 12, 2011 at 11:03:15 PM EST

That several of the most conservative members went with this.

I have not been so quick to criticize, though it may seem like substantial cuts could have come first. I am willing to give a little benefit of the doubt to someone such as Tom McMillin, or a Ray Franz on issues such as these. I think the debate MUST be had however, so we can all understand the bigger picture.

Thanks to Tom and others for weighing in.

Its now done, and we need to focus on the biggest battle we will be having this year. We need those folks with us for the RTW rounds.

I am not kidding about this. RTW WILL be a reality in Michigan. Sooner than you think.

RTW by Pogo, 05/13/2011 05:22:06 AM EST (none / 0)

Speaking of RTW (none / 0) (#16)
by grannynanny on Fri May 13, 2011 at 10:17:52 AM EST

While we are at it we need to start hammering our federal reps to rid ourselves of the Davis Bacon Wage Act too. This albatross of legislation is part of the reason Michigan roads are so crappy. Anytime you have federal dollars invested in roads, companies are forced to pay these inflated wages.

Then start by hammering on... by Corinthian Scales, 05/16/2011 01:06:49 PM EST (none / 0)

The pension tax is a 300 million blunder (none / 0) (#19)
by Republican Michigander on Fri May 13, 2011 at 11:26:34 AM EST

We have an approximately 43 billion dollar total budget (approx 80% not allowed to be touched). Is it impossible to cut another 300 million out of even the discretionary 9 Billion or so, let alone the real budget?

Unbelievable.

wrong again by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 01:30:15 PM EST (none / 0)

Or, most likely... by Corinthian Scales, 05/13/2011 03:03:45 PM EST (none / 0)

mackinac by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 03:22:21 PM EST (none / 0)

Look, did I say... by Corinthian Scales, 05/13/2011 03:43:34 PM EST (none / 0)
The Mac says what? by Corinthian Scales, 05/13/2011 04:47:35 PM EST (none / 0)

Uber bombast by Pogo, 05/13/2011 05:58:39 PM EST (none / 0)

Mmmm, not so bambast by Corinthian Scales, 05/13/2011 06:17:56 PM EST (none / 0)

greater than semi-bombast by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 06:44:43 PM EST (none / 0)

I do. by JGillman, 05/14/2011 10:21:05 AM EST (none / 0)

agree by Tom McMillin, 05/13/2011 06:18:02 PM EST (none / 0)

God bless, Chris (none / 0) (#73)
by Corinthian Scales on Wed May 18, 2011 at 03:21:04 PM EST

And the truth is finally seeping out from Lansing.

Lt. Gov. Brian Calley desperately wanted to vote on the tax issue but the only way that could happen was with a 19-19 vote. Then his vote would provide the historic 20th vote for passage.
But here was the rub. Ms. Whitmer was threatening to send some of her Democrats off to Ohio or some other exotic locale. Then they could not vote and there would be no tie for Calley to break.
Somebody went to her with this suggestion: If you provide all of your votes, we will buy down the governor's cut to education which was originally pegged at a hefty $470 per pupil.
Whitmer was intrigued and long story short, she got an agreement from the other side to shave the cut down to around $245.

A 48% giveaway just so Lt. GoverNerd and GoverNerd had something to bray about among their crony MI-GOP "Me-too Republicans".

Theblogprof nails it.

And here in Michigan a tiny minority of only 12 Democrats in the MI Senate threatened to go AWOL here as well. The only difference between Wisconsin, Indiana and here in Michigan is our large population of RINOs in the legislature, leading to the GOP actually acquiescing to Democrat demands.

Yessiree, as I wrote before... pathetically limp wristed.

To the recycling bin with all of them that went along with this crap.