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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Rick Snyder needs to earn my vote

    By Republican Michigander, Section News
    Posted on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 12:23:51 PM EST
    Tags: Rick Snyder (all tags)

    I'll be blunt. Snyder won. This sucks. This isn't surprising either.

    ~ more ~

    July 28th:

    GOP - Too close to call. I'm afraid Snyder may pull this off. You have three candidates running as conservatives. One liberal, and Tom George. I have not seen any of the conservatives get up and run away with this. Hoekstra is the higher up establishment choice (regardless of what is said). Cox is the conservative PAC's endorsement choice and has a lot of the gun owner support. Bouchard has a lot of the local activist support, at least in Livingston County. Snyder is one of the most opposed by all these camps. My concern is a split vote between all of them with Snyder's money taking the win with the help of Joe Schwarz types of crossovers. I don't know who's going to take this, but I think Snyder loses the general by 10-20%, to either Dillon or Bernero. So if you don't want a candidate who is not pro-life, who is unknown on most issues, who outsourced jobs to China, and who is tied with the economic liberal Center for Michigan with Phil Power, get out and vote, and not for Snyder. Vote for Mike Cox.

    The final percentages are this:
    Rick Snyder - 36.44%

    Pete Hoekstra - 26.86%

    Mike Cox - 22.92%

    Mike Bouchard - 12.16%

    Tom George - 1.62%

    The winner had barely over 1/3 of the vote. Nobody broke 40% Nobody except Pete Hoekstra broke 50% in any county. Those who broke 45% are:

    Snyder - Arenac (49.34%), Midland (46.75%), Washtenaw (48.97%)
    Hoekstra - Berrien (52.75%), Mason (52.71%), Oceana (46.76%), Ottawa (59.27%)
    Cox - Alger (46.14%)

    Snyder won a lot of counties between 38-43% of the vote. Cox won a few in the mid 30% range. Hoekstra won some west MI counties big.

    I got the typical "unity" email from MIGOP today. It's one thing when I'm asked to back a candidate I agree with 70% of the time instead of 90%. It's tough when it is 50% of the time, but I've done it, with McCain and Bush. This is different. I have a lot of major philosophical disagreements with Snyder, and he doesn't have an advantage of running against a guy I personally dislike as well as have the philosophy disagreements. Virg Bernero hasn't pissed me off to the point that Obama or John Kerry do. Luckily for Snyder, his opponent isn't Andy Dillon. I gave my reasons to oppose Snyder already. That's done. Now this is what he must do to get my support.

    Snyder needs to start giving specifics, stop being generic, and mention what his plan is. Not corporate-political speak talking points about "reinventing" Michigan, but his meat and potatoes plan. If he does that, without tax increases, tax shifts, or big spending, I'll consider a vote. There's other matters I'll need to be convinced on before giving my support as well. Judicial matters and redistricting proposals. Snyder needs to give me something to work with to jump on board.

    If Snyder turns out to be Bill Milliken II - he can do it without my support. Milliken gave us the Single Business Tax, was a gun grabber, and radical pro-abortion. More taxes. More government. Less freedom. Sounds like Granholm. Milliken's legacy is not so hot either. He left office when Michigan was at its historical high in unemployment. December 1982 - 16.8% If Snyder's a Milliken type, he won't get my vote. If he turns out to be Joe Schwarz II - he won't get my vote.

    Snyder's the nominee. Now he has to get the 65% of the Republicans who did not vote for him in the primary and avoid a double flank from the left and right which will certainly lead to his defeat. Virg will attack his left and will attack as a populist against Snyder's corporate background, just as Granholm did to DeVos in 06. It will hurt him bad. Can Snyder recover from the onslaught? That depends on him shoring up the GOP base, as well as having a solid plan, communicating it (problem from DeVos campaign), and selling it.

    The ball is in his court. Whether I vote for Snyder or the libertarian depends on what he does from here. Until then, I will vote for Mike and Bill Rogers, Joe Hune, Justice Young, Bill Schuette/Mike Bishop, and the Sec of State nominee.

    < Where to start... | Choices. >

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    Good points (none / 0) (#1)
    by JGillman on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 01:09:35 PM EST
    He will be flanked.

    My earlier prediction for Governor Virg Bernero will be correct.

    • What the... by maidintheus, 08/04/2010 01:13:53 PM EST (none / 0)
      • 12 Steps.. by JGillman, 08/04/2010 01:32:03 PM EST (none / 0)
        • Yeah. Okay. by maidintheus, 08/04/2010 02:34:43 PM EST (none / 0)
    I'm done with this way!.Been there, done that! (none / 0) (#2)
    by maidintheus on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 01:10:00 PM EST
    No, just say no. Snyder has already done what it takes to eliminate my vote...and everyone's imo.

    To continue to play along with the GOP and these candidates is what we've been doing for far too long...how's it workin' out for us? What will it take for them to make the right changes? Sadly, this big problem won't turn around on a dime. It's going to continue like this until we force the change. How? Hmmm. Hate to have to go here but..I'm thinking the JGillman Jr may be unto the only way for the future improvement we've been begging for. That way would put things in proper relationship: they can start begging for our votes again rather than our begging them to pretty please with cherries back an appropriate candidate.

    Considering the abysmal way they all have handled this, it's not Snyder who needs to earn my vote (lets just tell the truth here) it's the GOP...

    If we the people band together in allegiance to each other (rather than allegiance to the GOP)we will stand together to support someone conservative from The Tea Party or some other 3rd party. I never thought I'd have to go here but.. if we don't we're no better than those on the other side who disgust us for their being on the reservation/plantation so mindlessly. I'm going to stand for something from now on and practice what I preach. Hey, it's certainly no worse a result than this one we have from our following these blankedy blanks over the cliff.

    Why so angry you say? Yes, why indeed.  

    My take (none / 0) (#6)
    by William Milligan on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 01:35:47 PM EST
    I'm not interested in getting into a pissing match ala the past--which is part of the reason I've subscribed here under my own, full name. I also don't plan to post here that much moving forward.

    I didn't crossover yesterday. I voted on the dem ticket. I don't know anyone who personally did crossover, but the numbers seem to suggest that happened.

    I want to promote an idea about that, though, that perhaps it's not so evil. Perhaps centrist democrats and independents truly were drawn to Snyder's message. For example, both my wife and my father-in-law (pretty strong conservatives, both) voted for Snyder. Their reasoning? They were attracted to the "outsider" appeal, yes, but they were also turned off by the negative/smear campaigns conducted by the conservative-right candidates.

    I understand the angst of the far right and I understand the angst of the teapariers...but the reality is a majority of people in this state don't want the shouting the anger the name-calling and smear tactics.

    Yet what I see here is more strategizing by the far right of the GOP to NOT learn from 2008 or last night and continue to push for an agenda that will marginalize the center of their party and independents overall.

    Even Reagan was more centrist than most of the posters and posts I see here.

    Furthermore, I haven't ruled out voting for Snyder. But he has no chance if he needs to waste his time wooing the far right. None. His only hope is to run from the center.

    None of the far-right candidates would have had a chace in November--I don't care what condition the state is in.

    The time has come for all of us to work together. We need to stop vilifying good, hardworking citizens and using good taxpayers as scapegoats for our angst (teachers and public workers). If you want those folks to work with you and listen to your ideas,don't treat them like drug dealers and lazy suckers.


    In all honesty... (none / 0) (#7)
    by archiespeck on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 02:20:28 PM EST
    The Michigan GOP deserves Governer Bernero for squandering their best opportunity in decades to show Michigan that conservatism works.

    The 80% or so of Michigan voters who didn't bother to show up for the primary vote deserve Governer Bernero.

    The independent/centrist boneheads who fell for the "tough nerd" line deserve Governer Bernero. Their "tough nerd" wasn't tough enough to show up for a debate.

    Hope everyone enjoys their UAW run thugocracy.

    re: Maiden (none / 0) (#14)
    by William Milligan on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 04:57:23 PM EST
    Let me rephrase: I think there are good Americans, sincere people in their beliefs, that inhabit the border areas of both parties. But elections are won from the center (generally speaking). Reagan was put over the top by his "Reagan democrats," for example.

    I'm not purposely trying to be condescending or attacking here...but I'm of the opinion that most Michigan citizens want to see politicians of ALL stripes working TOGETHER. I don't think the masses are buying what the extreme elements in either party are selling. The news media picks that stuff up because they rely on strife and turmoil to pitch news. But most are sick of it.

    I don't think far-right (or far-left) ideology is sustainable for any length of time or in any sort of meaningful, game-changing numbers.

    That doesn't mean you don't have the freedom to work for, and promote, your views. Just saying.

    re: Corithian (none / 0) (#24)
    by William Milligan on Thu Aug 05, 2010 at 06:52:19 PM EST
    Your anger and where you sit on the political spectrum simply aren't sustainable on a national level--save in small pockets of anomalies. Independent voters--who decide every election, simply won't buy into it.

    Today's left is tomorrow's conservative center. Historically this has been proven time and time again. And has been proven and re-proven since the birth of this nation.

    The left hasn't gotten more left (I hardly think Clinton was more left of FDR and LBJ, for example). The Right has realigned its center in response to the constant leftward trek of the country since its inception.

    A classic example is social security. At its birth during the FDR era, conservatives--all of them--howled like rabied wolves. Now? There isn't a conservative who will publicly say "do away with social security" if he or she has any hope of winning an election (the only thing debated is how to fund it). Privately-funded think tanks might talk about privitizing it or doing away it altogether...but no one who aspires to public office beyond local drain commissioner will say it. It ain't happening--thus, the conservative center has been coopted and has been forced (yet again) to move along the road to the left.

    The rallying cry against Obama's health care by the teaparty? "Keep your hands off my medicare"--an angry rebuke of proposed CUTS in medicare (which, if you think about it, those conservatives should have been applauding: the CUTTING of a socialist program). I saw all the stalwarts of conservatism on Fox DEFEND that mantra ("Keep your hands off my medicare"). Even Palin. You don't see any white flag, any bitter irony in any of that?! Hello!

    As I don't want this to escalate into an unpleasant conversation, I'll leave it at that. I've had my say here. Best of luck moving forward.


    • Anger? by Corinthian Scales, 08/05/2010 09:48:53 PM EST (none / 0)
    With Synder you don't get egg roll or (none / 0) (#25)
    by LookingforReagan on Thu Aug 05, 2010 at 07:58:55 PM EST
    Fair tax or right to work. No chance of cutting spending and cutting taxes. But it sure will feel good to sleep in on November 2. Won't have no reason to rise early and no place to go. Guess the voters and union thugs haven't sunk low enough to say they have hit rock bottom. But it's a comin'sooner then most folks think. Without a Reagan Conservative in the Governors chair and with a split Legislature nothing positive will be accomplished. Until the state falls flat on it's Socialist Progressive fanny I guess there are those that have cleaned their rose colored glasses and are just going on like nothing is happening. Been awhile since I have been to Texas but I feel a visit is long over due. I'll send you all a post card.

    What good guys? (none / 0) (#28)
    by LookingforReagan on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 01:04:33 PM EST
    Over here in the 6th Congressional District we don't have to many "good" candidates to choose from. We have Ready Freddy Upton the famous RINO getting another chance to screw things up. The folks that think as I do didn't fare to well. So lets see what the choosen ones do when the folks like me stay the hell home. I have washed my hands of the Republican Party. No more. Never again. Until somebody takes the party over and completely reforms it nothing good will come from the RINOS and elites that think they are the smartest people in the room. To bad their miserable record proves otherwise. Oppps, phone is ringing. Looks like the Texas Realtor I contacted yesterday. Gotta go.

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