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The Mindless Automatons

By JGillman, Section News
Posted on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 10:07:07 AM EST
Tags: Mindless Automatons, Democrats, Constitutional Ban, For-Profit Schools, Charter Schools, Michigan, Rebekah Warren, Hoon-Yung Hopgood (all tags)

Of course after writing that last article about lifting the cap on charter schools and giving students real options in the way they learn, I discovered that next in my reading list is a story regarding the promotion of unparalleled mediocrity.

Of course the threat to the power held by school unions would drive an attempt to keep the shackles on the ankles of our youth. The minions of those who parasitically extract our taxpayer dollars are hard at work attempting to stop profit in the charter schools. State Senators Rebekah Warren, and Hoon-Yung Hopgood say Michigan charters make too much and wish to institute a constitutional ban on for profit schools:

"The ban would only affect K-12 schools, such as charters, that receive money from the state School Aid fund. Already in Michigan, four out of five charter schools are operated by private, for-profit education management organizations, according to the senators.
"It's not a ban on charter schools, and it's not a cap on charter schools," Warren said when announcing the proposal this morning in Lansing. "In these tight times, all those dollars should be going to the classroom."

In these tight times, perhaps Warren should take a 100% pay cut by leaving government service.

What these synaptic powerhouses are saying, is that private enterprise could operate at half the cost of a public facility, and still be charging too much if there is a profit. The evil is not in the cost but who might benefit.

From the Progressive Bible - Jen GR 11:05 verse 2

Costs LESS, with better results, but profit made by private enterprise equals BAD.
Cost MORE with Mediocre to poor results, but government run equals GOOD.

Gotcha.

< Time To Lift That School Cap. | Infamy at 70 >

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The Mindless Automatons | 36 comments (36 topical, 0 hidden)

Glad you posted this (none / 0) (#1)
by Corinthian Scales on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 11:06:54 AM EST

Been too busy to get around to this. Last Wednesday, Rep. Pete Pettalia-R, held a telephone town hall and this was brought up by a constituent north of me, presumably the women was a gummint employee as in these parts it's mostly that or retirees, and she was so adamantly against this, nevertheless, Rep. Pettalia who was unaware of the Senate Democrats agenda, did go on record that he was completely against any for-profit schools in Northern Michigan.

Thanks for reminding me about an issue that needs to be addressed with my Rep.

He's been pretty good on most issues, yes I do track his votes, but this kind of public sector goonionism pandering nonsense could generate an unwanted pamphlet bomb to go off throughout his district.

I don't understand. by maidintheus, 12/07/2011 11:44:20 AM EST (none / 0)

The reason by mm9, 12/07/2011 12:52:35 PM EST (none / 0)

Profit Is a motivator by JGillman, 12/07/2011 12:57:27 PM EST (none / 0)

Because by archiespeck, 12/07/2011 01:05:24 PM EST (none / 0)

Ahh thank you by JGillman, 12/07/2011 01:09:38 PM EST (none / 0)

There's a moral hazard by mm9, 12/08/2011 12:24:41 AM EST (none / 0)

Having had brothers and kids myself by JGillman, 12/08/2011 07:42:51 AM EST (none / 0)
And your point, mm9, by maidintheus, 12/08/2011 09:45:33 AM EST (none / 0)
mm9, btw by maidintheus, 12/08/2011 10:07:09 AM EST (none / 0)

Maid, I must say by JGillman, 12/08/2011 10:19:37 AM EST (none / 0)

It makes me wonder how by maidintheus, 12/08/2011 10:49:00 AM EST (none / 0)

You're missing the larger point by mm9, 12/08/2011 10:44:05 PM EST (none / 0)

Your formula assumes by JGillman, 12/08/2011 11:14:04 PM EST (none / 0)

Efficiency variables by mm9, 12/09/2011 05:22:59 AM EST (none / 0)

Perhaps I should update by JGillman, 12/09/2011 07:30:37 AM EST (none / 0)

Miissing 'C' in your "formula?" by maidintheus, 12/09/2011 06:28:52 PM EST (none / 0)

Whoop, whoop>>>MORAL HAZARD by Corinthian Scales, 12/08/2011 10:54:46 AM EST (none / 0)

I couldn't agree more! by maidintheus, 12/08/2011 11:44:11 AM EST (none / 0)

FALSE! MM9 couldn't be more wrong by Nick, 12/07/2011 02:16:54 PM EST (none / 0)

Welcome to the discussion by JGillman, 12/07/2011 02:41:59 PM EST (none / 0)
I wasn't attacking charter schools by mm9, 12/07/2011 02:45:28 PM EST (none / 0)

Hmm, explanation sounds like a Democrat... by Corinthian Scales, 12/07/2011 03:01:05 PM EST (none / 0)

Now now, Scales... by Nick, 12/07/2011 04:24:22 PM EST (none / 0)

Good seeing ya... by Corinthian Scales, 12/07/2011 06:45:23 PM EST (none / 0)

Using students as stage props... by KG One, 12/07/2011 07:19:07 PM EST (none / 0)

Honestly, France embarresses the crap out... by Corinthian Scales, 12/07/2011 08:08:36 PM EST (none / 0)

Thanks to all!!! Isn't by maidintheus, 12/07/2011 06:41:31 PM EST (none / 0)

They've earned 1st place! (none / 0) (#2)
by maidintheus on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 11:37:34 AM EST

They're so adept at deceit or they believe their own bs. Either way, they win in the stupid category.

I think they were coy with the "too much profit" rhetoric. What they really stand for is the ability to retain the means for showing a loss.

Back to basics: transparency, accountability and choice.

"...all those dollars should be.." (none / 0) (#4)
by maidintheus on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:19:39 PM EST

Yeah right! We need to stay on this. This would be an endless stream of examples for the funds taken or not saved/spent elsewhere that "should" have been "going" to his classroom of choice.

bump by maidintheus, 12/07/2011 12:48:56 PM EST (none / 0)

Sen. Glenn Anderson (none / 0) (#8)
by archiespeck on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 01:03:55 PM EST

From Senator Union Thug's () newsletter today:

"I recently co-sponsored Senate Joint Resolution R, which would place a constitutional amendment to ban schools operated by for-profit entities on the ballot. In October, Senate Republicans pushed legislation that would remove Michigan's cap on charter schools, essentially opening the doors to business run, for-profit schools and increased privatization of teachers and school workers. This constitutional amendment aims to protect children from having their education compromised at the expense of corporate profits.

Already in Michigan, 4 of 5 charter schools are operated by private, for-profit education management organizations. Allowing these organizations to continue profiting off the backs of our children is unacceptable. The proposed amendment would put an end to for-profit schools, ensuring that the focus of Michigan's education system remain on providing the best possible education to each child."

So to reiterate:

Private companies running schools that are closely monitored on a performance basis are BAD, but teacher's unions running a school system with zero accountability are A-OK.

And pay no attention to my donations from the MEA or my UAW thuggery past.

If this was Facebook I'd click LIKE. by Nick, 12/07/2011 02:18:35 PM EST (none / 0)

I heard a lot of the same arguments... (none / 0) (#17)
by KG One on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 05:11:22 PM EST

...on 'JR when this dingbat was on to promote her ban.

"It's about public education."

"We must save/protect/serve public education", was the common refrain from her.

I'll keep my comments "family-friendly", but let's just say that the good senator broke my B.S.-meter with the sheer quantity of what she was shoveling during her time on the air.

A.Y.P. numbers that are not only abysmal, but downright criminal.

Same for graduation rates.

Ditto for the shenanigans that schools do to push under/non-performing students out of the door.

I view this push as a "Hail Mary" effort by the educational establishment to save some vestige of the Life of Riley they once enjoyed.

With bills to lift the Charter School caps and "Parent Trigger" laws being considered, being a public educator will no longer be a cushy job. They will need to be held to standards just like everyone else and face the consequences when they fail.

Question on Constitutional (none / 0) (#29)
by maidintheus on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 10:58:46 AM EST

Amendments. It seems to me that they are often attempts to force others to comply when most people wouldn't agree if they debate the issues. I think this is often the case, even when I agree with the issue.

Is there a tendency for this to be true? I thought I saw some of this during the Huckabee debate. I am very wary of this. If "we" can do it, how can we ever argue that "they" shouldn't?