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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    2012 Republican Presidential Dance Card . . . Thus Far


    By Kevin Rex Heine, Section News
    Posted on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 01:13:41 PM EST
    Tags: GOP 2012 Presidential Nominee, Michele Bachman, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Gary Johnson, Fred Karger, Andy Martin, Jimmy McMillan, Roy Moore, Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty, Buddy Roemer, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Jonathon Sharkey, Ames Straw Poll, New Hampshire Primary (all tags)

    It's often been said (including frequently on this site) that the real choice in any election is in the primaries.  Once the primaries are over, you're essentially stuck with whoever survives.  And in the quadrennial contest for the Republican nominee for the President of the United States, direct involvement in the primaries is going to be critical . . . there is no excuse for sitting on the sidelines and then carping because you don't like who wound up on the top of the ticket.

    Of course, making an informed choice is always useful, and for that we should go below the fold.


    According to the Wikipedia article (which is well and properly sourced), as of this morning the official candidate field for the 2012 republican presidential nomination is as follows (formally declared unless indicated otherwise):

    Fifteen candidates, now that is one crowded dance card, y'all.  And that's not even including some others who are speculated to run (Rick Perry, from Texas; John Bolton, from Maryland; Sarah Palin, from Alaska; Thad McCotter, from Michigan; Rudy Giuliani, from New York; George Pataki, from New York; Jim DeMint, from South Carolina; and Peter King, from New York).

    I figure that Karger, Martin, McMillan, and Sharkey really don't qualify as credible candidates, but they are properly filed with the FEC, so there they are.

    Oh, and by the way, let's keep in mind that this lineup can and probably will change several times between now and November 15th, 2011 (the filing deadline for the New Hampshire Primary).  I'm also curious as to how the Ames Straw Poll coming up in a couple of months will weed the field down a bit.

    As a total sidebar, I didn't get the opportunity to see the New Hampshire debate on CNN last night (because that would require me to have cable), but if anyone has a usable link to video footage of the whole thing, then by all means feel free to post it in the comments section.  I was told that it alternated between interesting and lame, but I'd like to see for myself.

    I included the links to the websites of those candidates who have them for the reason that I consider it a good starting point in any serious research attempt on these candidates.  Find out what they have to say about themselves and what they think the issues are, and then go outward from there.

    And then, share what you know.

    The nice thing about a community blog effort is that we regular contributors have ways to dig up information consistent with our own unique combination of talents.  Thus, RightMichigan is often so much more than the sum of its parts.

    What I'm asking here, of all of us, is that we use this article as an open discussion thread between now and whenever to discuss openly the options laid out before us with regard to the republican primary field for the 2012 POTUS nomination.  Yes, I'm specifically asking that those of you who have already posted video or some other commentary to re-post it in the commentary of this article.  (Scales, please keep each video on a separate comment post, unless they're all regarding the same candidate.)  And I'll round up a few of them myself just to get the party started.

    Also, please cast a vote in the poll on the right.  (I've confined it to the names on the list of the official candidate field above, though I'm sure that there's a way to edit the poll options if the official field changes.)  And if you're feeling particularly ambitious, then by all means invite everyone you know to vote in the poll (because you don't have to have an account to actually cast a vote.)

    If it should happen that you support a candidate who isn't currently listed in the poll (such as one of the eight who are currently speculated to run), then by all means feel free to comment and defend accordingly.  On the flip side of that same coin, should anyone have any credible discrediting information regarding a candidate not-yet-in, then present it if you wish.  Much has already been posted (often with video support) either for or against particular candidates, and several RINOs have been publicly called out as such; feel free to pile on if it'll help make the point.

    And I am specifically inviting everyone who has an account on RightMichigan to feel free to comment on this thread.  Put forward your reasoned and logical opinion of why you think a particular candidate ought to be the nominee.  Yes, you should also offer reasoned rebuke and/or rejection of candidates if you have it, but if all you have to offer is rejection of the whole field, then your opinion isn't going to carry much weight here.  Oh, and as all regulars here ought to know, be prepared to defend your position - whether for or against a particular candidate - because that's just how we roll here.

    As always, anyone posting or commenting to this thread, or any other on this site, is expected to keep it clean and civil.  (It should go without saying that there are consequences for doing otherwise.)

    Me personally, I dug up a beaut from history as my closing point on this article; because as we have seen so often, the more things change, the more they remain the same.


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    Herman Cain: (none / 0) (#1)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 01:14:54 PM EST
    . . . this video is being used by some as proof that Cain isn't credible.  Me, I'm not so sure.




    Jon Huntsman: (none / 0) (#2)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 01:15:43 PM EST
    . . . a common sense parody.  The problem is that the uninformed might actually think this is a legit campaign ad.




    Tim Pawlenty: (none / 0) (#3)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 01:16:27 PM EST
    . . . is generally considered to be just as big-government as Romney, and this interview in which he praises the Individual Mandate makes the point.




    Mitt Romney: (none / 0) (#4)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 01:17:09 PM EST
    . . . go home, Willard.  Just because he's the media-anointed front-runner doesn't mean that everyone's going to buy in.




    Color Gary Johnson gone (none / 0) (#8)
    by Corinthian Scales on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 01:48:25 PM EST
    He's already been excluded from debate.  No problem with me.  Don't need some clown that boasts being elected a Republican in a state that's 2:1 Dimocrat anymore than I need a Liberal clown from Ann Arbor calling himself a Republican governor.  Gary needs to accept defeat and/or cut back on burning fatty's with his anti-DOMA constituents.

    Where I stand, for now: (none / 0) (#13)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:44:35 PM EST
    Just so that no one can accuse me of being unclear as to my opinion in this matter, let me candidly put my position on the record.  (And let's be also clear that this is subject to change between now and November 15th, if good cause presents itself.)

    As I've said previously, I don't really consider Karger, Martin, McMillan, or Sharkey to be particularly credible candidates, so those four are out in my reckoning.  And until or unless either Moore or Roemer officially declare, neither one of them is on my radar.  Ditto for any of the candidates who are merely receiving speculation; I have no interest in or opinion on a potential candidate who isn't yet in it.

    That brings me down to nine official candidates, and I'm going to promptly take that down to seven.  Newt Gingrich is, in my opinion, a washed-up has-been whose politically useful days have been behind him for at least a decade now.  Gary Johnson is more than a little too liberal-tarian (read: "closet anarchist") for my personal taste.

    Huntsman, Pawlenty, and Romney have all been credibly outed as big-government, nanny-state RINOs.  The pale pastels of dem-lite aren't going to accomplish anything in 2012 other than to guarantee a second term for BHO, and for that reason my personal field of consideration is now down to four.

    Conventional wisdom, with good reason, holds that a credible candidate for POTUS ought to have notable executive experience at a lesser level.  It doesn't seem to matter much whether that experience is: as VPOTUS, gubernatorial, in the private sector, as a cabinet secretary, military command, or even in a formal congressional leadership position.  The point is that it ought to be there . . . period.

    Going back through the pages of American History, I've noticed that, of the forty-four men who've occupied the office of President of the United States, a grand total of two did not have lesser executive experience prior to their inauguration.  However, in 1849 Abraham Lincoln was offered governorship of the Oregon Territory, and at the 1856 Republican National Convention he finished second in the balloting to be John C. Fremont's vice-presidential running mate.  My guess is that the guy had a reputation for a skill set consistent with effective executive performance.

    On the other hand, the only other POTUS to have no notable executive experience prior to assuming office was . . . drum roll please . . . Barack Hussein Obama.  That's right, boys and girls; so far as I've been able to find, POTUS-44 has zero, zip, zilch, nada, squat, goose-egg, no independently verifiable record whatsoever of any credible executive experience in any position, at any level, nor even any reputable evidence that he's demonstrated any executive leadership aptitude at any point in his professional history.

    And we see how well that's working out.

    By the standard of prior executive experience, we reduce the official field of 15 candidates down to 8 . . . including seven that I've already eliminated from my personal consideration.  Granted, prior executive experience isn't a constitutional requirement, but if my memory serves me correctly, then demonstrable effective executive aptitude is something that the Founding Fathers sort of expected that an informed electorate would require of a candidate aspiring to the post of the nation's chief executive.

    My, how times have changed.

    I don't question that Paul and Bachman provide effective and constitutionally-loyal congressional representation for their respective districts (TX-14 and MN-6), nor do I question that Santorum did the same when he was in office (PA-18).  Quite frankly, I think that any of them would make a fine running mate for the guy that I believe should be the republican nominee to unseat BHO.  But I just don't think that any of these three have as yet demonstrated that they'd be any more competent a chief executive than the loser currently occupying that office.

    America is right now rotting on the vine as a nation.  Financially and morally, we have most certainly lost our way as a people.  Unalienable rights endowed to us by our Creator, and enshrined in America's Charters of Freedom, have been systematically eroded over the last 98 years or so by the malignant cancer of socialist-progressivism.  Oftentimes, as has been noted on this site recently, that erosion has occurred without the citizenry even being aware that it was happening until it was too late to do anything about it.

    Indeed, as George Washington himself cautioned in 1796, it is requisite for the preservation of our Constitution that we resist with bold care the spirit of innovation upon its principles, however specious or benevolent the pretext.  The preferred method of assault will be to effect from within alterations which will serve to impair the energy of the constitutional republic, and thus undermine into irrelevance that which by design cannot be directly overthrown.

    As I said in the original article, the more things change, the more they remain the same.  Solomon had it right when he wrote in Ecclesiastes that there is nothing new under the sun.

    What this country needs is a turnaround specialist, a guy who has a track record of being unafraid of learning the basics and then sticking to them, a guy who has turned around a low-performing region of a national restaurant chain, or who rescued an entire national restaurant chain from the brink of bankruptcy.  What about a guy who's been face-to-face with stage-4 cancer, given a 30% chance of survival, and survived anyway (and is now totally cancer-free)?

    Yeah, America absolutely needs a turnaround specialist, someone who actually knows what leadership is, and doesn't have a problem actually leading.

    For what my opinion is worth, America needs Herman Cain.

    Herman Cain's speech at CPAC 2011

    The SIN tactics of the liberal-progressive-socialists (I gotta keep this list handy):

    • "S" - Shift the subject
    • "I" - Ignore the facts
    • "N" - Name calling


    What a depressing list. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Republican Michigander on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:46:44 PM EST
    I haven't decided yet.

    Rick Perry by default?

    Ron Paul: (none / 0) (#22)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 10:03:44 AM EST
    . . . has been "officially endorsed" by Glenn Beck, or so the Live Free or Die Report would have us believe.  But am I the only one who doesn't hear an actual endorsement in this clip?




    Thad McCotter . . . (none / 0) (#25)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 07:09:25 AM EST
    . . . is all but officially in.

    According to Politico:

    Thaddeus McCotter will file paperwork on Friday [July 1st] to become the eighth Republican candidate for president, a McCotter adviser told POLITICO.

    (Must be some non-mathematical types doing the reporting, as we clearly now have 16 candidates in this field.  Even eliminating the ones that aren't credible only takes the field down to 10.)

    His presidential campaign website will go live around noon [today], allowing the four-term Michigan congressman to kick off his long-shot bid on the first day of the new fundraising quarter.

    Even before formally launching his presidential bid, McCotter has not shyed from firing shots at those already in the presidential race. When frontrunner Mitt Romney visited Michigan earlier this month, McCotter declared that "struggling families, entrepreneurs and workers can't afford policies that make Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama less than rivals, and more like running mates."

    In an interview with POLITICO last month, McCotter previewed some of the themes of a potential presidential run: "The challenge of globalization, the war for freedom against terrorists, the rise of Communist China and whether moral relativism erodes a nation built on self-evident truth."

    While I think that this is all very interesting, it doesn't change my opinion about who I think the republican nominee ought to be.  However, I guess that Mr. Gillman will have to expand the poll on this article by one slot.  (Alphabetically by last name, "Thad McCotter (Michigan)" should be slotted between Johnson and Paul.)


    Buddy Roemer . . . (none / 0) (#48)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 02:36:22 PM EST
    . . . has been officially declared since July 21st (though I wonder why that stayed under the radar).

    Right now, this cat doesn't give me any reason to reconsider my support of Herman Cain, though I will give him credit for at least having prior executive experience.

    If we are to believe Ralph Nader . . . (none / 0) (#49)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 12:25:55 PM EST
    . . . then the debt ceiling debates have effectively guaranteed that Barry Hope-and-Change will face a primary challenge.  From The Daily Caller via Yahoo! News:

    Nader now says that a primary challenge is a near certainty.

    "What [Obama] did this week is just going to energize that effort," Nader promised in an interview with The Daily Caller. "I would guess that the chances of there being a challenge to Obama in the primary are almost 100 percent."

    The only question, he said, is the stature of that opponent and whether it will be either "an ex-senator or an ex-governor" or "an intellectual leader or an environmental leader."

    In approximately a week and a half there will be "another chapter of this effort," Nader predicted.

    The Public Citizen founder said he disapproved of how Obama handled recent debt ceiling negotiations, and claimed the deal's failings prompted this week's dramatic stock market drop.

    "He made a deal that did not provide for a public works project to create jobs all over the country. All he did was he agreed to cut spending," Nader said. "And that's what the market is reacting to."

    Now, reading through the rest of the article, you might not be too surprised to hear me say that I have a major problem with Ralphie's logic as to why the debt deal is a bad idea; but if this is the straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back with regard to O-commie having to fend off even one viable, high-profile, and perhaps even credible primary challenge, then I'm all for that.  Maybe we'll see something similar to this classic ad right around the time that the presumptive republican nominee is determined:



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