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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Time for a Safari


    By Nick, Section News
    Posted on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:36:50 PM EST
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    Perfection is impossible.  On that we can all agree.  There's never going to be an elected official, a representative, a pundit or a politician with whom we agree 100% of the time.  No misconceptions here.  That's just reality.  That's faction and it's older than the Federalist Papers.

    It's a reality we recognize on a large scale here in the United States.  It's one of the reasons we form political parties.  We acknowledge that we aren't going to agree on everything every single time but there are a lot of things on which we will agree and it's better to join together to accomplish what we can than to be defeated as individuals.  

    Why not move forward on the 80%, right?  But there'll always be that 20% of issues on which we disagree.  Human nature.  Diversity of thought.  Whatever.  There's freedom to disagree and, frankly, the way the left has gone off the deep end these days there's an especially large amount of room for disagreement in the GOP because the alternative is freaking scary.  But freedom to disagree doesn't mean "free reign."  There are limits.

    Read on...

    If you vote with the other party more often than you vote with your own, something might be amiss.  If you don't subscribe to the central tenets of the party platform, whatever they might be, you might want to rethink your membership.  And if you go out of your way to publicly support opposition leadership... personally I've got little use for you as a member of my party of choice.

    Disagree on a matter of public policy from time to time that's fine.  Need to split with your Party here and there on the voting board?  I won't put up a huge fuss.  But if there's one axiom that should inform the behavior of a member of any political party, strictly speaking in political terms, perhaps more than any other it is this... do not give aid and comfort to the enemy in electoral politics.  

    If you're a Republican, don't go out campaigning for a Democrat.  Don't join them on a bus tour.  And for the love of all things sane and holy, don't introduce legislation supporting them in the face of an electoral contest in their home district!

    Last week a handful of Republicans decided they'd be willing to stand up with Andy Dillon, the leader of the opposition party, at a press conference denouncing recall efforts by citizens in his district.  Chris Ward, Mike Nofs, Lorence Wenke and Dick Ball started changing jerseys.

    Unfortunately it looks like they were just getting started.  

    Representative Ball yesterday introduced House Resolution 358, formally going on record opposing the recall of House Speaker Andy Dillon, the leader of the Democrat caucus.  In that moment he stepped further outside the bounds of acceptable partisan behavior than perhaps any other Republican I've seen in my lifetime.  He offered aid and comfort to the enemy.  And he chose Lansing over the Constitutional rights of tens of thousands of voters outside his District to do it.

    The top dog at the Michigan Taxpayers Alliance and a regular blogger here on Right Michigan, Leon Drolet had a slightly more generous take.  He's all but begging the House to go ahead and pass the resolution and I can see where that might be an appealing prospect from his perspective.  Barely ten minutes had passed after the original introduction of the resolution and he was on the phone sounding genuinely shocked that anyone in the legislature, Republican or Democrat, would introduce what he considers a blatant slap in the face of 15,000 some odd voters in Dillon's district.

    Since the recall could very well be, in essence, a referendum on Lansing Leon thinks this move draws a Technicolor contrast.

    And I'm sure he's got a valid point.  If you can get far enough past Representative Ball's sponsorship to examine the nuance.  I can't.  

    As individuals Representatives Nofs, Wenke, Ward and Ball have the right to their opinion.  And they're more than welcome to hold opinions that run contrary with those of their Party.  But when they choose to align themselves with a specific political party they're making a statement about their beliefs and a promise to the voters.  They are stating, in no uncertain terms, that they hold a set of core principles consistent with that party's platform and they are stating, absolutely, that they stand opposed to the opposition.

    Good people can disagree over the Dillon recall.  There are many Republicans who think it's a great idea.  There are many who think it's either a tactical mistake or a step too far.  Everyone's entitled to their opinion and they're entitled to express it.  But joining press conferences and introducing House Resolutions go far beyond the expression of an opinion.  They're taking sides and they're standing with the leader of the House Democrats in direct opposition of the rights of taxpayers statewide.  

    That's their right as individuals but it is not their right as Republicans.  It's a dereliction of duty.

    Don't like the recall?  Fine.  Express that opinion when you're asked for it.  I wouldn't and haven't had a problem with that for months now.  

    But Dick Ball didn't express an opinion.  As far as I'm concerned he just switched teams.

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    House of cards... (none / 0) (#1)
    by LX on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:50:49 PM EST
    ...if one falls they're all susceptible to it and should be.

    Both Parties' have become equally disgusting with very little distinction of so-called team switching.


    Nick (none / 0) (#2)
    by triznik on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:56:18 PM EST
    I used to believe you were a class act. Your latest blog is evidence to the contrary. You may consider the juxtaposition of the images of Rep. Ball and the rhino to be clever, but I consider it offensive. If you knew Rep. Ball personally, as I do, you would agree that he is a man of incontrovertible character and integrity, even if you disagree with his actions in opposition to the recall of Rep. Dillon.

    In the interest of free and open discourse, the community is welcome to flame me.

    Nick, we can agree to disagree (none / 0) (#4)
    by triznik on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:24:15 PM EST
    about whether or not HR 358 was appropriate. I may even agree with your position on this issue. Evidently, Rep. Ball is strongly opposed to the Dillon recall and acted on principle, but I fail to understand how his introduction of HR 358 is "flouting the Constitutional rights of citizens." That aside, please overcome my ignorance and enlighten me about the rightmichigan.com definition of a Republican, and offer a contrast with the definition of a RINO, which is a provocative term cavalierly employed in the blogosphere.

    Nick, that is a reiteration (none / 0) (#6)
    by triznik on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:45:17 PM EST
    rather than an explanation. You are entitled to your opinion (it's your blog), I am entitled to my opinion (which you are free to criticize or to purge from your blog, at your discretion), and Rep. Ball is entitled to his opinion (for which you have subjected him to ridicule with a visual metaphor). I am disappointed, but I am beginning to understand the rules of engagement here at rightmichigan.com. I recommend that we move on to more important issues, unless you believe that further discussion is warranted.

    Spot on (none / 0) (#7)
    by tenex22 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:31:10 PM EST
    I would say that it speaks volumes on Rep. Balls' integrity that he would side with Dillon on the recall issue. If he is from the Republican party, he should hold with that party and their views. He is certainly entitled to his personal opinions, but in the matter of very public politics he should be either neutral or carry the Republican banner in this case.

    I could have sworn... (none / 0) (#8)
    by LookingforReagan on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:51:57 PM EST
    that this story was about John McCain. Describes him to a tee. But I guess there are others that insist on modeling themselves after the Liberal/Democrat choosen candidate of the Republican Party. Better get used to it. There will be more of these people coming out of the woodwork and showing their true RINO colors.

    We don't want him (none / 0) (#9)
    by Christine on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:34:25 PM EST
    Nick, Dick Ball does whatever the last voice in his head tells him to do.  Usually that voice is Craig DeRoche or some other member of the GOP caucus.  As such, I don't know why he introduced this bill.  

    Ball spent all of 2007 telling Shiawassee that we needed to raise taxes, but at the last minute, he voted against them.  Why?  Because DeRoche didn't let him vote for revenues.  (according to DeRoche, via MIRS)  If I recall correctly, Ball also voted in favor of the MESSA-busting bill, which was contrary to his oft-stated opinion on it.

    Most of your readers here would appreciate those votes, and even though I do not, it's not those two votes that disgust me.  It's the practice of saying one thing but then doing another that disgusts me.  Not to mention, the fact that he doesn't have the courage of what he claims are his convictions.  This is why I have no respect at all for him.  

    People who are really trying to make up their minds about Dick Ball should look at his voting record in its entirety.  He usually votes along GOP lines.  People think he's a moderate .. that's why he gets so many crossover Dem votes.  However, the fact is, he just can't pick a position.  He just parrots what is being said around him.  I'm sure he is good-hearted and means well, but if he ever had an independent thought he would probably spontaneously combust.

    My 2 cents.  Thanks.  
    ~Christine

    (ps Have a good weekend, hope you are well)

    Christine, that was a shot below the belt (none / 0) (#10)
    by triznik on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:50:40 PM EST
    directed at Rep. Ball. It is evident that you have no personal insight into his character. I urge you to go back to your own blog and post those comments for consumption in Shiawassee County...if you have the intestinal fortitude to confront the response.

    • Done by Christine, 05/09/2008 06:25:23 PM EST (none / 0)
    Bill Milliken; Pat Toomey (none / 0) (#11)
    by Angry White Male on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:52:56 PM EST
    ". . . he stepped further outside the bounds of acceptable partisan behavior than perhaps any other Republican I've seen in my lifetime."

    You are perhaps too young to "recall" the Milliken era, but we had a taste last year when he and Blanchard chaired the Governess's tax hike committee. Milliken also supported the 1983 Blanchard tax hike.

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    I assume the Ball defender above is someone close to the man, perhaps one of his staffers. They might be interesting in Pat Toomey's piece in the WSJ yesterday, "In Defense of RINO Hunting." He concludes:

    "A Republican majority is only as useful as the policies that majority produces. When those policies look a lot like Democratic ones, the base rightly questions why it should keep Republicans in power. As the party gears up for elections in the fall, it ought to look closely at the losses suffered under a political strategy devoid of principle. Otherwise, it can look forward to a bad case of déjà vu."

    Conservatives were betrayed by the GOP congress that settled in after those halcyon days of 1994. They were also betrayed by the GOP House led by Rick Johnson. Political parties are about power, not principle, and unless the grass roots are willing to take a few out and shoot 'em now and again they can expect ever more betrayals.

    Angry White Male (none / 0) (#12)
    by triznik on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:58:02 PM EST
    You have keen powers of discernment, but you didn't quite hit the target, even if you are willing "to take a few out and shoot 'em now and again."

    Just maybe (none / 0) (#15)
    by NoviDemocrat on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:47:03 PM EST
    some in Lansing are sick of seeing the recall process abused for political vendettas. I'm all for the constitutional right of recall. But it should be reserved for recalling people for misconduct in office. Just because someone votes contrary to the way you think isn't a justified reason for recall. We've seen in the Meijer case in the Traverse City area how the recall process has been abused to the point that we nearly had a coup d'état of a local government by a shadow campaign funded by illegal corporate contributions. It's no surprise though that all the Republicons here care about is that the Representative is a yes man for the party line.

    Here, triznik (none / 0) (#16)
    by jgillmanjr on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:52:29 PM EST
    You want to know why HR 358 and it's author are ate the hell up? Here's why (this is gonna be long - I'm gonna tear up his entire resolution):


    A resolution to express the sense of the House that recalls should be based on specific
    misconduct, criminal activity, or abuse of office and should not be based on a single vote and to
    denounce the effort to recall Speaker Andy Dillon.

    Guess what, we don't care what you think. We care what the constitution says.

    Article II § 8 of the Michigan Constitution


     Laws shall be enacted to provide for the recall of all elective officers except judges of courts of record upon petition of electors equal in number to 25 percent of the number of persons voting in the last preceding election for the office of governor in the electoral district of the officer sought to be recalled. The sufficiency of any statement of reasons or grounds procedurally required shall be a political rather than a judicial question.

    Oh hey, it says it's legit.


    Of these, seven provide that the recall may only be used when specific criteria, such as some threshold of misconduct, are involved

    Guess what? We don't care about these other states. If you like it so much, move there and run for office.


    Whereas, Observers of government have argued that the misuse of recalls can be detrimental
    to sound decision making, as short-term expediency can trump well-reasoned approaches to solving
    problems.

    A tax hike is a well-reasoned approach to solving our economic problems?!?!?! Well I think this brings into question some things...

    Article IV § 7 of the Michigan Constitution


     Each senator and representative must be a citizen of the United States, at least 21 years of age, and an elector of the district he represents. The removal of his domicile from the district shall be deemed a vacation of the office. No person who has been convicted of subversion or who has within the preceding 20 years been convicted of a felony involving a breach of public trust shall be eligible for either house of the legislature.

    and what about those electors you say?!?

    Article II § 2


     The legislature may by law exclude persons from voting because of mental incompetence or commitment to a jail or penal institution.

    I'd say that Dillon (and those who supported the tax hike as a well-reasoned fix to the economy) should be ineligable based on their incompetence.

    Let's move on..


    The threat of recall for reasons other than some measure of misconduct undermines the
    foundation of our democratic republic.

    Really.... it seems pretty democratic to me that we get rid of representatives when they do things we don't want them to do. Clearly the people in Dillon's district clearly think he's doing stuff they didn't elect him to do. Oh the horror!


    We elect men and women to exercise their judgment to the best of their abilities after fully considering all policy options. At each subsequent election, these men and women stand before voters and are fully accountable for their decisions;

    I'll give you a hint - they're accountable before the election too!


    Whereas, Many of the state's newspapers have expressed opposition to the misuse of recall,
    including the Detroit News, Redford Observer, Northville Record, Grand Rapids Press, Canton
    Eagle, Garden City Observer, Detroit Free Press, and Battle Creek Enquirer. Among these, the
    Detroit News, on April 28, 2008, stated that the recent recall efforts in Michigan are ". . . working
    against efforts to create a more cooperative and productive environment in the legislature." The
    February 5, 2008, Grand Rapids Press said "Political recalls should be reserved for the most
    egregious acts; not used as a retaliation for votes on a particular issue or as retribution against
    political adversaries." Referring to the pending November general election, the Redford Observer
    saw the proposed recall of the Speaker as basically meaningless and costly;

    Reference above for my comment about legislators being in to serve their constituents.


    Whereas, Michigan's experience with recall seems to be a model of the potential for abuse at
    all levels of government. It has been used to intimidate and harass and stop the advancement of
    public policy. Over the past year, recall has been used to harm the legislative process, to thwart
    honest debate, and to create partisan rancor

    It has? Evidence?


    Whereas, The ongoing recall effort against the Speaker of the House is an example of an
    abuse of this mechanism

    No it's not.


    Resolved by the House of Representatives, That it is the sense of the House that recalls
    should be based on specific misconduct, criminal activity, or abuse of office and should not be based
    on a single vote; and be it further

    Yet again, we don't care what you think. We only care what the constitution says.


    Resolved, That we stand together as a body to denounce the effort to recall Speaker Andy
    Dillon.

    Hey, uhh, how about you go do something productive?

    This is as bad as that Berkley city council 'resolution' saying they don't like the Marine Corps recruiting office.

    Thank you (none / 0) (#17)
    by triznik on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:30:06 PM EST
    JGillman and jgillmanjr for your feedback.

    triznik = white on rice (none / 0) (#18)
    by maidintheus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:14:47 AM EST
    but I fail to understand how his introduction of HR 358 is "flouting the Constitutional rights of citizens."  triznik, you fail (miserably) in this area.  Glad to hear you recognize this.  This is a very important issue and finding it not worthy of discussion is'nt correct.  You are (even) dishonest in saying so. Here's proof: You're here, all over it, discussing the bajeebers out of it.  I find you unreasonable and nonsensical.  Good for a laugh though.

    "...please overcome my ignorance"  Uncle! You win.  One can't be expected to do the impossible.  

    "...personal insight into his character."  Yes, people can agree to disagree.  Ball flips and flops and seems to be guilty of the same error as yourself - he's forgotten the rule of law and We The People.  His words are very telling when he says he is going to make a stand with his colleagues instead of standing with We The People and the law, but rather would seek to change the law based on convenience.

    "If you knew Rep. Ball personally..."  Please quit taking personal.  I would likely find him a nice person. He is being discussed in the position of public servant.  Ya know, "We The People" and all that.  Further, he decided to run as a Republican public servant on top of that.  Don't feel pressured to understand.

    Christine, I thought your statements had a lot of merit and were intended to be very fair minded and reasonable.  Some think you should not reason for yourself.  Humph, to them!

    LookingforReagan, I disagree.  Looking at what the handful of mandates the fed gov is responsible for (see The Constitution), he has us covered.  I believe he has himself perfectly positioned for this election cycle.  That's an important position.

    NoviDemocrat, with your broad brush (all the Republicons) it seems more important to be rude then to dialog. See my statements on triznik, above.

    "Guess what, we don't care what you think. We care what the constitution says."
    This one is too obvious and easy. Duh, who (reasonable, thinking, fair, unbiased, selfless, person within We The People group) wouldn't agree?


    the problem is abuse of tax dollars (none / 0) (#19)
    by leondrolet on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:27:59 AM EST
    Rep. Ball sees no problem whatsoever in using tax dollars to express his opinion on an election issue. Obviously, Ball has a right to any opinion he wants with regard to the recall election of Speaker Dillon. He can go door-knock for him and contribute his money to Dillon's campaign. But he, instead, decided to use citizens' tax dollars to direct state employees to write a resolution opposing a "yes" vote in a recall election.

    He then took up at least an hour of the legislature's time (more tax dollars) so that legislators could consider passing his opinion on an election by specifically having HR 358 "oppose the recall of Speaker Dillon".

    What's next? Taxpayers-paid mailings out of Lansing telling Dillon's constituents how they should vote? House Dem leadership and Rep. Ball either are too blinded by their positions or don't care about their obvious abuse of tax dollars to express their opinions on election issues.

    The Issue (none / 0) (#20)
    by Beerme on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:01:24 AM EST
    The issue for Ball is that the danger of a citizen recall is more fearful to him than upholding the Constitutional rights of Michigan's citizens. He chose sides alright, but not Democrat over Republican. He chose politician over public servant. "The Fraternity" wins for Ball and the others that support this resolution.

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