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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

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    Here, triznik (none / 0) (#16)
    by jgillmanjr on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:52:29 PM EST
    You want to know why HR 358 and it's author are ate the hell up? Here's why (this is gonna be long - I'm gonna tear up his entire resolution):


    A resolution to express the sense of the House that recalls should be based on specific
    misconduct, criminal activity, or abuse of office and should not be based on a single vote and to
    denounce the effort to recall Speaker Andy Dillon.

    Guess what, we don't care what you think. We care what the constitution says.

    Article II § 8 of the Michigan Constitution


     Laws shall be enacted to provide for the recall of all elective officers except judges of courts of record upon petition of electors equal in number to 25 percent of the number of persons voting in the last preceding election for the office of governor in the electoral district of the officer sought to be recalled. The sufficiency of any statement of reasons or grounds procedurally required shall be a political rather than a judicial question.

    Oh hey, it says it's legit.


    Of these, seven provide that the recall may only be used when specific criteria, such as some threshold of misconduct, are involved

    Guess what? We don't care about these other states. If you like it so much, move there and run for office.


    Whereas, Observers of government have argued that the misuse of recalls can be detrimental
    to sound decision making, as short-term expediency can trump well-reasoned approaches to solving
    problems.

    A tax hike is a well-reasoned approach to solving our economic problems?!?!?! Well I think this brings into question some things...

    Article IV § 7 of the Michigan Constitution


     Each senator and representative must be a citizen of the United States, at least 21 years of age, and an elector of the district he represents. The removal of his domicile from the district shall be deemed a vacation of the office. No person who has been convicted of subversion or who has within the preceding 20 years been convicted of a felony involving a breach of public trust shall be eligible for either house of the legislature.

    and what about those electors you say?!?

    Article II § 2


     The legislature may by law exclude persons from voting because of mental incompetence or commitment to a jail or penal institution.

    I'd say that Dillon (and those who supported the tax hike as a well-reasoned fix to the economy) should be ineligable based on their incompetence.

    Let's move on..


    The threat of recall for reasons other than some measure of misconduct undermines the
    foundation of our democratic republic.

    Really.... it seems pretty democratic to me that we get rid of representatives when they do things we don't want them to do. Clearly the people in Dillon's district clearly think he's doing stuff they didn't elect him to do. Oh the horror!


    We elect men and women to exercise their judgment to the best of their abilities after fully considering all policy options. At each subsequent election, these men and women stand before voters and are fully accountable for their decisions;

    I'll give you a hint - they're accountable before the election too!


    Whereas, Many of the state's newspapers have expressed opposition to the misuse of recall,
    including the Detroit News, Redford Observer, Northville Record, Grand Rapids Press, Canton
    Eagle, Garden City Observer, Detroit Free Press, and Battle Creek Enquirer. Among these, the
    Detroit News, on April 28, 2008, stated that the recent recall efforts in Michigan are ". . . working
    against efforts to create a more cooperative and productive environment in the legislature." The
    February 5, 2008, Grand Rapids Press said "Political recalls should be reserved for the most
    egregious acts; not used as a retaliation for votes on a particular issue or as retribution against
    political adversaries." Referring to the pending November general election, the Redford Observer
    saw the proposed recall of the Speaker as basically meaningless and costly;

    Reference above for my comment about legislators being in to serve their constituents.


    Whereas, Michigan's experience with recall seems to be a model of the potential for abuse at
    all levels of government. It has been used to intimidate and harass and stop the advancement of
    public policy. Over the past year, recall has been used to harm the legislative process, to thwart
    honest debate, and to create partisan rancor

    It has? Evidence?


    Whereas, The ongoing recall effort against the Speaker of the House is an example of an
    abuse of this mechanism

    No it's not.


    Resolved by the House of Representatives, That it is the sense of the House that recalls
    should be based on specific misconduct, criminal activity, or abuse of office and should not be based
    on a single vote; and be it further

    Yet again, we don't care what you think. We only care what the constitution says.


    Resolved, That we stand together as a body to denounce the effort to recall Speaker Andy
    Dillon.

    Hey, uhh, how about you go do something productive?

    This is as bad as that Berkley city council 'resolution' saying they don't like the Marine Corps recruiting office.

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