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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    We Haven't Forgotten A Darn Thing Mike

    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 10:40:31 PM EST
    Tags: Michigan, Mike Rogers, Domestic Spying, 4th Amendment, HR2397, Amash Amendment, 217-205 (all tags)

    It is one thing if you have a government you can trust, and yet another when you have representative you cannot.

    A dozen years ago Representative Mike Rogers, I would have agreed with you.  However, even then I asked the question of the 'carnivore' program: "would I trust these tools in anyone else' hands but the good guys? (At the time I considered that to be GWB) So when you ask YOUR question:

    "Have 12 years gone by and our memories faded so badly that we forgot what happened on Sept. 11?" Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the Intelligence committee, said in pleading with his colleagues to back the program during House debate.
    I will tell you we have not forgotten.

    But we also are not blind.

    The Amash amendment was a good start to reign in this administration's abuse.  We are no safer with this president's minions using such tools to its own ends, than we are by pretending the NSA trade off is worth it.  Take a look at how we deal with REAL terrorism on our shores, and can you tell me if it matters what THEY find?

    Right.  217-205.  The whitewash runneth.

    < Exactly. | Thursday Divertere >

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    For the record keeping (none / 0) (#1)
    by JGillman on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 10:48:25 PM EST
    What Justin offered.

    5:58:22 P.M.     H.R. 2397     An amendment, offered by Mr. Amash, numbered 100 printed in House Report 113-170 to end authority for the blanket collection of records under the Patriot Act. It would also bar the NSA and other agencies from using Section 215 of the Patriot Act to collect records, including telephone call records, that pertain to persons who are not subject to an investigation under Section 215.

    Did nothing (none / 0) (#2)
    by RushLake on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 04:58:30 AM EST
    The Mao-bama administration had specific information on at least one of the Boston terrorists. That information came from the Soviets and Mao and his boyz did nothing. Young warriors reported to their superiors that the terrorist murderer Nidal Malik Hasan was counseling them that they were baby killers. At some point and by some means, those superiors report to the Commander-in-Chief. Mao and the boyz did nothing. But they do have time to build a big building in Utah to store data they gather on us.

    They'll work constantly to erode the Constitution and the people who work directly for us, in most instances, do nothing.

    Hopefully this opposition continues, (none / 0) (#4)
    by Nathan Inks on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 12:29:39 PM EST
    but I do find it interesting that the criticism on this site of things like the PATRIOT Act and NSA surveillance started when Obama took office.  Perhaps some Republicans had a change of heart, and there are others (such as Gillman Jr.) who have always been opposed to surveillance like this, but a lot of the opposition to these programs simply exists because it's a Democrat in the White House, and in 4 or 8 or 12 years when a Republican is in the White House trying to pull stuff like this, I hope that I still see the same opposition to the destruction of our freedom from those on the right that exists now.

    Quite frankly . . . (none / 0) (#12)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 03:33:38 PM EST
    . . . and this seems as good a place to discuss it as any, the RINO term gets flung around wayyy too much anymore to be as useful as it ought to be.  Also, the terms "establishment" and "grassroots" are fairly nebulous, IMO, and not really adequate to the discussions we ought to be having on pachyderm credibility.

    The way I see it, the Republican brand can be broken down into five "flavors" (if you will).  Arranged alphabetically, they are: "Conservative Republican," "Liberal Republican," "Libertarian Republican," "Moderate Republican," and "Tea Party Republican."

    I'd easily burn through more pages and words than the combined length of America's Charters of Freedom defining those five categories, and I'll wager that I'd still blow it on at least one point of careful delineation.  I've learned that it's much easier to define the categories through easily-identifiable example pairs.  Thus, the categories break down as follows:

    • Conservative Republican (Reagan & Agema)
    • Liberal Republican (Romney & Milliken)
    • Libertarian Republican (Paul & Amash)
    • Moderate Republican (Ford & Engler)
    • Tea Party Republican (Palin & Colbeck)

    It's this simple: whichever example pair most closely identifies you; that's the type of republican that you are.  I find it much more descriptive than the other "terminology" we've been flinging around like monkey poo of late.

    Okay, I'll play: Enlighten me, sir. (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by KG One on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 10:48:08 AM EST
    If the good representative wants to use 9/11 as an excuse to to down to the National Archives and run that faded old piece of paper he swore to uphold and defend through an industrial strength shredder, then maybe he would be so kind to use his spook connections to explain why the federal government failed to act on information that it did possess before (and during) PRISM, such as:

    Detroit Flight 327 - June 2004. 14 passengers from the Middle East. All flew one way. All paid in cash. All acting suspiciously throughout the flight, including making numerous trips to the restroom (sometimes in groups), while carrying bags and phones.

    Detroit Flight 253 - December 2009. Wannabe terrorist from Nigeria who tried to blow up an inbound flight over Detroit. Was tipped off directly to our own government by HIS OWN FATHER who is a man of good standing in his home country about his son's intentions. Still no word on how he was able to get onto his flight without the proper paperwork or who The Sharp Dressed Man accompanying him was.

    Seal Team Six Assassination - August 2011. Shortly after taking out OBL, 22 members of Seal Team Six, along with 16 other troops, were assassinated while trying to assist Army Rangers pinned down fighting the Talaban. Their Chinook (yes, I said Chinook) was shot down by a RPG. Survivors from the wreckage were shot and killed by Talaban ground troops. In a final slap in the face to their families (aside from Pres. B.O. publically telling Al Qaeda exactly who they were), their bodies were not returned to their families, but were cremated.

    The Tsarnaev Brothers - April 2013. Killed 3, injured over 200 in a terrorist attack during the Boston Marathon Bombing. FSB warned us back in '11 that these two were trouble, yet the federal government DID NOTHING.

    So, Rep. Rogers? Are you willing to come up with something a little more substantial to back up your argument on the true effectiveness of the program you are so vocally defending?

    Or, are you just going to release carefully scripted sound bites and agree to carefully controlled interviews.

    Your underlings read this site.

    Man up and give us an answer!

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