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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    If you are going to do it...


    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Fri Feb 12, 2010 at 09:13:17 AM EST
    Tags: Michigan, Granholm, Taxes, Mackinac Center, Fair Tax, MIFAIRTAX (all tags)

    At least pay attention to the Proposals already on the table. In fact take a look at a study of one such proposal already provided by the Hillsdale college scholars.

    Governor Granholm has been continuing her path of raising taxes on Michigan as if no one is paying attention any longer.  Her most recent budget includes additional spending, (more than this current fiscal year) and she has attempted to manipulate the revenue stream so that the actual tax increase on the citizens is hidden.  

    Her proposed small shift downward in the sales tax looks good on its face, but she hopes to expand the things taxed to services in hopes of generating the needed $2 Billion plus in revenue to cover that spending.  Though she claims it is revenue neutral by 2013, how well can we trust the judgment of the most fiscally imprudent executives the state has ever seen?

    Further...

    The Mackinac Center for Public Policy's Michael LaFaive says
    ""Revenue-neutral or not, lawmakers should not be restructuring the state's tax system before adopting significant spending reforms -- reforms more fundamental than the half-hearted measures the governor has proposed so far."

    Indeed, the FIRST thing that needs to be addressed is spending.  It needs to be adjusted DOWN to a point where there is not a fear of revenue shortfalls creating a bigger problem.  And frankly, her claim that the economy shifting from sales to services begs the change, though partially correct, is still short on providing an excuse to further increase the tax load on Michigan citizens.

    The spending first needs to STOP.. And then..

    The governor needs to consider one other possibility.  If she so desperately wants to get a tax on services, she should consider the MIFairTAX plan..  Lobby to have the legislature put it before the people.  At least IT provides relief for the permanent residents and is a better mechanism for shifting the burden to transient and otherwise undocumented income.  It hits those who use Michigan services and infrastructure, but pay no taxes through the current system. Further it provides a friendlier and STABLE business environment.  A predictable climate where planning can actually mean something.

    In all fairness to the Mackinac Center folks, I should point out that many of them have disagreements with the MiFairTax plan for a few reasons.  My using commentary in this article should by no means suggest they support it entirely.

    But we are looking at some realities in this state that need to be addressed.. NOW.

    The declining economic environment, no matter the reason for its fall has a very real effect on the tax revenues for the state.  Much in the way fat is stored in the human body for lean times, Michigan does indeed have areas it can eliminate, but soon we begin to eat into the muscle, and infrastructure.  

    A stable tax environment that is predictable and unchangeable except by the will of the governed is paramount.  A more permanent structure that lays out the rules that are fair to all citizens and taxpayers involved should be adopted.

    But to shroud the increases in spending and a greater burden on Michiganders through a revenue shuffle is wrong.

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    Year after year (none / 0) (#1)
    by grannynanny on Fri Feb 12, 2010 at 10:34:19 AM EST
    If you go back and look from the get go she has raised spending every year she was in office.  

    Regarding the MI Fair Tax (none / 0) (#2)
    by KG One on Fri Feb 12, 2010 at 12:20:16 PM EST
    Drop the "prebate" feature.

    Lower the taxable rate.

    Put it on the ballot for approval.

    The governor's budget (none / 0) (#4)
    by tmbg1453 on Fri Feb 12, 2010 at 05:43:44 PM EST
    Basically, what the governor appeared to do was borrow some of the revenue proposals in the Michigan Turnaround Plan (from Business Leaders for Michigan), but she got skimpy when it came to proposing many of the reforms in the MTP.

    That's why the BLM weren't thrilled with her proposal.

    That said, I think there's a lot of good ideas in the Turnaround Plan in terms of reforms. www.michiganturnaroundplan.com. I wish the governor would get more serious about reducing the size of government and forcing consolidation of government.

    • unions by grannynanny, 02/12/2010 06:09:40 PM EST (none / 0)
    Great Advice (none / 0) (#6)
    by grannynanny on Fri Feb 12, 2010 at 06:40:54 PM EST
    Frank Beckman had a gentlemen on his show today who gave great advice to those of us who want to help even in the smallest of ways to stop the madness.  Run for your local school board!  MEA and the AFL-CIO has stacked the deck with school board members who are negotiating contracts and expenditures with their very own members.  Put a stop to it NOW.  It is a very local and grass roots effort to put a stop to spending and wasting our hard earned tax dollars.  He very emphatically stated that if we don't take back our schools it will only get worse.  I am already looking at the board in my school district and doing my homework.

    We can take back our schools and force changes to everything from curriculum, spending and culture.

    I recall 2007... (none / 0) (#7)
    by geek49203 on Fri Feb 12, 2010 at 08:44:41 PM EST
    I recall my comments about the services tax in 2007.  Long story short, I closed up what was left of my business due to that idea, which became law for a few days.  For a few days, hookers, exotic dancers, baby shoe bronzers and freelance IT people (I'm one of those) had to charge tax, while accountants, doctors and lawyers didn't.  

    Since then, I've worked for 3 state governments, and have a bit more insight.  My opinion, however, hasn't changed.  

    1.  The taxation dept of any state government is highly computerized.  So too are the compliance tools -- think "TurboTax" only for CPA firms, as well as Quickbooks, etc.  State governments are not known for producing fixes, additions, or replacements to software, especially when budgets are tight.  The first question I'd have is whether that IT structure can be in place by December.

    2.  The cost of compliance for small businesses might be considerable.  Take, for instance, a service provider (say, your local computer geek) who doesn't need to charge sales taxes, but now will be forced to do those monthly filings for service sales taxes.  In his case, the costs of compliance will probably be more than the actual money collected.

    3.  For the self-employed service provider, this essentially is a 6% income tax.  In a "normal" supply-demand environment, taxes are always passed along to customers, and over time, they probably will once a bunch of service providers go out of business.  However, in the near- and mid-term, the current price pressures will prevent price increases.  Heck, if I could raise my fees by 6%, don't you think I would?

    So, self-employed service providers, from the baby shoe bronzer to the town hooker to the local IT geek now pay 15.5% for FICA, plus all income taxes, plus property taxes, plus this new tax.  

    Of course, on the "up side" (okay, I'm kidding, but there is humor to follow) cops will now be able to use sales tax compliance as a tool to get your local hookers off of the street.  Seriously.  Unless they have an accountant.

    And about those "Promise" grants... (none / 0) (#8)
    by geek49203 on Fri Feb 12, 2010 at 08:52:20 PM EST

    The new revision of "Promise" grants is aptly named.  In exchange for the money, the student "promises" to work in Michigan after graduation.

    (pause)

    YA know, I'd love to work in Michigan.  So would about 25% of our residents who are now unemployed.  And, we haven't even talked about the large number of people who are working out of state, or have moved to find employment.  

    I'd love to find out how the State will chase down graduates who get a job when they move out of state.  I'd love to see how we can provide enough jobs so that, for example, the largest alumni associates for our major universities are NOT located in Chicago, DC, etc.

    If you tax it, it will leave . . . (none / 0) (#12)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Sun Feb 14, 2010 at 12:45:11 AM EST
    . . . for the most part.

    Bruce, just how do you expect that lowering the income tax rate will accomplish any damn thing useful?  The State Treasury estimates for 2008 (when the income tax rate was 4%) were that they had a 19% shortfall between revenue expected and revenue collected.  The reason for this is that there are several groups of people in this state who do not report their income honestly, if they report it at all:

    • Criminal enterprises (this includes everything from sophisticated organized crime to the typical street corner hooker or drug dealer)

    • Gamblers (those winnings don't have to be reported unless they exceed a certain threshold per day . . . I believe it's $600.00)

    • Cash-only businesses and transactions (I'll just let your imagination run on this one)

    • Illegal aliens ('nuff said there)

    See, the biggest flaw (the fatal error, if you will) of an income-based taxation system is that it assumes that people will be fine, upstanding citizens and report all sources of income honestly.  Hmm . . .

    By the way, Michigan Works isn't a state government entity per se . . . do your homework there.

    Jason, the purpose of the prebate should be considered in the context of both the expansiveness of what will be taxed under the Michigan FairTax Proposal and whom it locks out of the "benefit" system.

    Note that, right now, between 16% and 20% of everything sold at retail is in reality embedded state business taxation.  And that's not just the business that you're buying that product or service from; it's also that business' entire supply chain.  (Think of it as the multiplication effect of taxation.)

    So strip out that corporate taxation (which will force prices down in a free-market scenario) and instead place a sales tax on everything new sold at retail.  (Remember that MFTP doesn't tax used items.)  And this means everything:  All commodities and services (including groceries).  No exceptions, no loopholes, nothing left uncovered.  So now all of those people who aren't paying into the system now (see the list above) can't escape their tax burden . . . because sooner or later everyone buys retail.

    Now the last I checked, certain necessities aren't available in "used" form, so the only way to purchase gas or groceries is "new" at retail.  (Though I hear Al Gore is looking into developing a cottage industry for used gasoline.)  And thus, to avoid screwing those who truly are poor, the prebate was developed.  This way everyone, and I do mean everyone, who is a legitimate resident of Michigan gets an assist every month, but the poorer end of the economic scale will derive the greatest benefit from it.

    For someone like Dick DeVos, that $85 per month (single adult) isn't going to make that much of a difference; but a guy like me who's just barely getting by right now can put that money to good use, either as two tanks of gas or an extra grocery run.

    But keep in mind that the illegals and the tourists are specifically locked out of this benefit.  Thus, these two groups of people pay into the system that keep this fine state running, but reap zero (as in zilch, zip, and nada) benefit from that system!

    Just the insider's input.

    Doo Dah, Doo, Dah (none / 0) (#13)
    by restricted on Sun Feb 14, 2010 at 12:17:53 PM EST
    The entire mindset of our state government must evolve to not argue replacement of revenue but the reduction of spending. Has our budgetary number decreased or increased? Is the number this year smaller than last? These are easy, rudimentary concepts, but they seem to evade the political structure on both sides intent on its self preservation through shifts and shuffles of tax dollars instead of the leadership in decision making needed to downsize government. A stellar example in the Republican Party is my Senator, Patty Burkholz. If I recall correctly, she was one of only three Republicans to vote for the largest tax increase in our state's history. Senate leader Bishop then did absolutely nothing in response to her vote and let her keep her committee chairmanship. We either have players or we don't. The Eaton County Republican web site to this day states "In her capacity, Eaton County has been has been ably served by State Senator Patty Burkholz". Bull, BIG BULL!! And neither has Allegan, nor Barry Counties. Chameleons in their own right, RINOs like Patty need to be excommunicated from any political office with an "R" by their name. The voting public is aware, paying attention, and expecting results from the rhetoric, not head fakes and obfuscation. We want results, not promises.

    Rex, Great points and I am (none / 0) (#14)
    by BruceB on Sun Feb 14, 2010 at 12:39:22 PM EST
    glad you brought them up.  #1.  Working stiffs shouldn't have to see an net increase in their taxation.  I don't want them paying 4.35% income tax plus the tax on food.  The reduction of income tax, hopefully, will we a "wash" for them.  #2.  A sales tax on food is the surest way to collect taxes from criminal enterprizes, gamblers, cash-only businesses, illegal aliens, and others not pulling the wagon.  
    #3.  I don't necessarily see a problem with taxing all purchases except that the tax is "hidden" from the purchaser of the product or service and will make it easier for the State to raise the hidden tax latter down the line instead of cutting unnecessary programs or services.  #4.  Does Michigan Works receive money from the State?  If so, cut it off completely!  Throwing money at training for jobs that don't exist is counter productive.  

    Just an aside, I don't like the pre-bate.  We are all in this thing together and we all have to work to get ourselves out of this.  

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