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    By Rougman, Section News
    Posted on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:20:57 AM EST
    Tags: Traverse City, smoking (all tags)

    When local Traverse City officials contemplate the banning of smoking in city parks I have to think of them as being good faith operators. I believe that they want to eliminate smoking for all the right reasons.

    "People need to understand that parks should encourage active lifestyles and healthy living. That's what parks should represent," said Nathan Elkins, chairman of Traverse City's Parks and Recreation Commission.
    When did it become the de facto purpose of public lands to set a social agenda, and when this purpose was determined, why was it universally decided that the lands in question needed to celebrate a healthy lifestyle rather than say, a lifestyle of freedom? Aren't both necessary to harbor the wonders of a functioning democracy? (Well, actually no. A functioning free society could theoretically be created and maintained by a bunch of pot bellied pork eaters, while a society of physically fit humans can live in a virtual boot camp with practically no freedom. Sorry, I like to quibble.)
    The parks commission recommends city commissioners adopt a total smoke-free policy for city parks because it would be easier to enforce than an ordinance that called for no smoking within so many feet of playground equipment, pavilions and such, said Lauren Vaughn, the city's parks and recreation superintendent.

    "I think this is a great idea," said Commissioner Jim Carruthers.

    Carruthers is often frustrated by smokers who litter by throwing their cigarette butts on the ground, litter that eventually washes into storm drains and into the bay, he said.

    I admit that smokers leave those little butts laying everywhere, and they have no one to blame but themselves for the scrutiny that this creates, heck, dog owners have to pick up more disgusting things when Fido does his business, but aren't there already anti-littering ordinances on the books to keep slobbish smokers from tossing trash on the ground?

    Why does a difficulty in law enforcement have to result in the restricting of freedoms instead of the expansion of freedom?

    Others agreed.

    "I think this is a step we should take for public safety, if nothing else," said Commissioner Ralph Soffredine.

    Lisa Danto, coordinator for the Traverse Bay Area Tobacco Coalition, said second-hand smoke is dangerous -- even outdoors -- considering how many children use city parks. Additionally, adults who smoke in city parks set a bad example for young people, she said.

    "If kids see that it's normal, they are more likely to try it," Danto said.

    A proposed ordinance will be written for city commissioners to consider, said R. Ben Bifoss, city manager.

    Of course, the most talked about reason behind this sort of ordinance is the protection of park users from the dangers of second hand smoke.

    We will see how seriously city commissioners take this safety crusade if their attempts at protecting the health of park users end at outlawing smoking in parks while allowing the insidious use of particulate producing campfires and the consumption of carcinogen laden grilled animal meats on property.

    How else are we to judge the sincere benevolence of our rulers if we are not equally protected from all potential danger?

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    Second hand smoke in open areas (none / 0) (#3)
    by jgillmanjr on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 12:59:30 PM EST
    The argument that second hand smoke is dangerous in these open areas is ridiculous. Let's do some comparison...

    Cars are going to put out an ass tonne more smoke than some people smoking cigarettes (or in my case, the occasional cigar). Said cars also happen to run through front street (downtown Traverse City). People shop down there. This area is probably more confined than a park, yet no one is complaining.

    I think I might have to take a trip back to TC and pull a Joe Wilson at the next city commission meeting.

    Carruthers is often frustrated... (none / 0) (#4)
    by maidintheus on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:06:56 PM EST
    pewhaaaha ha ha ha!

    Sorry, I was so distracted by this bit of understatement I couldn't read any further.

    Obviously, he's frustrated though. It's rather a constant and pointedly, not limited to his Commission duties.

    Okay, back to your article. I'll have to start all over!

    "...good faith operators?" (none / 0) (#5)
    by maidintheus on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:37:31 PM EST
    Yeah right. Are you sure you're watching The T.C. Commission?

    Yep, ban and change so people can't have rental properties or easily make a buck. Rather then ask that lil' old lady why she didn't call the cops, just make a new law and zone. Mmm hmmm, good faith.

    Yep, we're over ran by stray dogs on the beach and crazed boaters. They spend so much time, effort, and money on manufactured bs, it's amazing how the public continues to humbly go along. I'm just shocked we don't have a huge piece of 'art' where dogs and boaters piss around.

    Lets build roads...so bicycles and walkers have it great and the things that actually are supposed to use the roads get inconvenienced but foot the bill. Do these "frustrated" ones need a park bench and land scape at every intersection, in every median, and do they really land smack on top their head when they fall off their bikes? Me, it was always the crotch, knees, elbows, even took it to the chest a few times. I know what I want them to do with their so called "good" intentions.  

    As to the dog poo, I'd suggest OCDed Scrudato spend her time picking this up, as she seems to be the watchdog of said item, pun intended.

    Dude (I mean Carruthers) can be on cig butt duty, this would be fitting as he's much concerned on these matters and would be most likely to notice from his perch atop his bicycle.

    "If kids see that it's normal, they are more likely to try it," Danto said. Ahh, how kind of twit to underline what we all know to be true. This is why we're onto you as regards the public school indoctrination. I will personally place that "good faith" operation where it belongs! You in?

    Even Scrudato, (none / 0) (#7)
    by maidintheus on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 09:25:25 AM EST
    who's ever vigilant counting dogs in the vicinity, hasn't complained about offending debris of the sort mentioned.

    Our drain system isn't primitive and it's also misinformation to suggest that butts will end up in the bay via the storm drains, especially as an argument attached to banned smoking in parks. The offices of the Drain Commissioner note that butts in the grassy areas would more likely remain where they are and decompose or get buried in same location. There is also a beech cleaning machine we pay for as well.

    Following the yellow brick road, "if kids see that it's normal" to use this type of clever manipulation of facts, they may attempt to imitate this with their parents, teachers, and law enforcement...OH MY!  

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