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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Another reason early release is a potentially tragic idea: Matthew Macon

    By Nick, Section News
    Posted on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 05:14:17 PM EST
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    Matthew Macon is the man arrested in connection with the brutal beatings, slayings (and at least one rape) of six Mid-Michigan women.

    According to the Lansing State Journal:

    Police have said Macon is a suspect in the killing of killed Ruth Hallman, 76; Deborah Cooke, 36; Debra Renfors, 46; Sandra Eichorn, 64; and Karen Delgado-Yates, 41, between July 26 and Aug. 28. Investigators also believe the man beat and injured a 56-year-old woman Tuesday, but her dog chased him away.

    One more tragic detail in this horrifying story is that the man shouldn't have been on the street in the first place.  According to the Michigan Department of Corrections website Macon received a maximum sentence of ten years for larceny on August 22, 2001, a little over six years ago.  

    He was released on parole on June 26, 2007.  One month before starting his killing spree.

    You'd have thought the Department learned it's lesson with Patrick Selepak but apparently it hasn't yet.  

    Five women have now paid for Macon's release with their lives and only by the grace of God and the strength of a loyal dog does a sixth have hers.  

    Maybe the Attorney General, the Senate Majority Leader, the House Minority Leader, the Oakland County Sheriff, just about every other law enforcement official and every Michigan resident who's paying attention were right to criticize the Democrats for their insistence on balancing the budget by letting thousands of felons go.

    How does that early release plan look to you now Madame Governor?

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    rank hypocrisy (none / 0) (#1)
    by NoviDemocrat on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 05:33:37 PM EST
    You're the one who was criticizing the Corrections Department for blowing its budget and locking people up in response to the Selepak case:


    This guy was a convicted thief, not a murderer. Unless your prepared to abolish parole and time off for good behavior for every prisoner  and pay the cost to keep prisoners incarcarated for their entire sentence, this is nothing more than a cheap political hit on your part, using these women's deaths to attack the Governor when you don't have a solution that would have prevented this from happening. Nice work Nick! Disgusting.

    NoviDem...Wrong (none / 0) (#2)
    by RightMacomb on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 06:39:44 PM EST
    What Nick pointed out before was the hypocrisy of the Corrections Dept who after the Selepak case claimed it was not their system that failed.  But, turned around and started to delay releases anyway.

    This is another sad, tragic example of the incompetence of this administration to run an effective government.  For a Governor who once said do as I say or people die, its obvious people will continue to die because of her mistakes.

    Try reading the article (none / 0) (#3)
    by mipt on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 07:57:58 PM EST
    Did you even read the earlier post before you linked to it, Dem?
    Nick is being consistent.  
    What a sick, sick story.  I hope the woman in charge is paying attention.

    Sex Offenders Shouldn't Qualify for Early Release (none / 0) (#4)
    by Rougman on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 09:11:20 PM EST
    This guy apparently has a pretty long history of crime including at least two previous sexual assaults.  He may have been in for larceny, but early release of predator scum is never a good solution to save money--I don't care which political party you belong to.

    WOW! (none / 0) (#5)
    by Nick on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 10:34:21 PM EST
    The Dems are actually DEFENDING the system that allowed this to happen?!  If that's some sort of sick joke, it's not funny.

    There are ZERO ways to defend this.

    And turning a blind eye to the failures of a system set up to defend innocent people by keeping the bad guys locked up isn't only irresponsible, it's reprehensible.  

    People are literally dying (apologies to the Governor who insisted herself earlier this year that people WOULD die unless the state raised taxes... which it hasn't... and no one's died as a result).  

    Some would use their dogged partisan devotion to push out of their minds any interest in improvement and responsibility while people's lives are on the line.  They should be ashamed of themselves.

    You're exploiting these women's deaths (1.00 / 1) (#6)
    by NoviDemocrat on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 10:55:45 PM EST
    to score political points. Did you suggest abolishing paroles? No. Did you suggest that all prisoners should serve their entire sentence with no time off for good behavior? No. Did you support increased funding for Corrections to keep people like this in prison longer? No. You didn't offer one proposal that would keep someone like this off the street in the future. No answers, no solutions, just an attempt to equate this case with the Selepak case even though you know the two situations are completely different. Sick.

    Pointing out that there's a problem (none / 0) (#7)
    by Nick on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 11:02:03 PM EST
    and that people are dying isn't exploiting.  These are facts.  

    I'd never think to speak for these women or their families but they deserve something be done to prevent this sort of thing from ever happening again.

    If the standard for concern, critique and accountability is that any of the above be accompanied by a thousand-point full-on "plan" to solve the problem, I'm sorry if I fall short.

    Exploiting? (none / 0) (#8)
    by mipt on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 08:22:57 AM EST
    5 people died as a result of early release.  5.  
    That is incredible.  Mindboggling even.  The governor put early r elease on the table as a way to save money.  Early release resulted in 5 deaths AS the governor was proposing this on a large scale.  

    Multiple Violent Offenses...Multiple Paroles (none / 0) (#9)
    by RightMacomb on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 09:59:58 AM EST
    If this doesnt show how the system is broken, I dont know what does...


    He has a violent past, but is paroled early multiple times, violated parole multiple times, and now has murdered multiple times.  We reached the state of insanity...repeating the same thing over and expecting a different result.

    Death Penalty !!! (none / 0) (#11)
    by LX on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 12:35:43 PM EST
    Well in fairness (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by gun totin wacko on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 11:03:27 AM EST
    LX, I didn't see anything about "will not brutally attack and kill women in their homes".

    Sandra Eichorn was killed just down the street from my house.  Glad I bailed out of town 2 months ago.  Also glad that I made a rule of keeping a pistol within arm's reach at all times.

    Thanks to the "leaders" that Lansing has had for the past few decades, there's another Michigan city going the way of Detroit, Flint, Bay City, etc.

    I guess here I could make comments about all of the above being Democratic strongholds, but I won't.

    The honest answer (none / 0) (#13)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 05:14:29 PM EST
    is that you can never stop these sorts of crimes. There are certain depraved individuals who will kill for reasons that are unknown to any of us and who's actions can't be predicted in advance. But Nick's more interested in scoring political points than acknowledging that truth. The fact that Nick didn't offer up one "solution" that would have prevented this crime except to imply that every prisoner should be locked up for their entire term, no parole, no early release for good behavior, no nothing. I'm sure the state could implement such a system and I'm sure the Republicans will rush forward to pay the billions in additional taxes it would cost to have such a prison system. Right.

    There is no solution (none / 0) (#16)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:27:57 PM EST
    Sorry, I hate to break it to you but we don't live in a world where the government can control everyone's thoughts and actions as much as I know that appeals to some of the conservative ilk. Sorry, we don't live in a world where we can incarcerate every person for every petty crime indefinitely, as much as I know that appeals to "law and order" conservatives. I'm sure the Monday morning quarterbacks will tell us how we just had to "know" that this guy would have done it. But the truth of the matter is that it's likely no one knew and it's probably impossible that anyone could have know. Sorry, the mind scans and thought police are just the stuff of your dreams, not reality.

    Even if this guy had been locked up for his entire sentence, he still would have been out on the street in a few years. From what we know now, it's likely he would have done something similar once out on the streets. So then what? Are you ready to lock up every felon for life and throw away the keys?

    In the real world that we live in, not the fantasy world of your political posturing, choices have to be made about who gets locked up for how long and for what crimes. When "law and order" conservatives demand that drug mules get locked up for life, it means that, absent a willingness to spend billions more than we spend today on prisons, criminals like the accused in this case end up on the street. We already spend more on prisons than we do on college. So until you're willing to make that commitment, all the criticism is exploitation of personal tragedy to score political points.

    Say, are you ready yet (none / 0) (#17)
    by Nick on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:42:18 PM EST
    to slam Mark Schauer the way you slammed Pete Hoekstra?


    Then I don't think, frankly, you've earned the right to be taken at all seriously.

    More and more excuses (none / 0) (#18)
    by John Galt on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 08:39:37 AM EST
    So you demand solutions from Nick, and then you admit there are no solutions... Make up your mind.

    I keep reading excuses and excuses.

    I find it appalling you're willing to continue to make excuses, after being confronted several times, for your Governor and her failed leadership.  

    Granholm used to be a prosecutor in one of Michigan's most crime-ridden counties.  You're telling me she has no clue, no solution, on how to keep murderous "early parolees" off the streets?  

    You claim "political posturing" as motivation here.  As I asked before, how many times does Two-Penny Jenny have to fail for you to realize she's a failure?  Five?  Six?  Ten times?  I think we're well past 20 by now.  If we hit 30 failures, will you admit she's failed?  Don't accuse others of political point-scoring when you're unwilling to admit failures of your own team.

    I asked Nick (none / 0) (#19)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 10:40:20 AM EST
    to state a solution other than locking up every felon for their full term with no paroles and no early releases. That's the only "guarantee" that will keep prisoners off the street until their sentence is up. The no solution comment is in response to your apparent belief that the people who work in corrections are mind-readers and should know in advance who among the parolees will go on murderous rampages and who will not. That neither you or Nick is willing to address anything that has a connection to the real world just proves that you're only interested in scoring political points.

    I'm getting the feeling (none / 0) (#21)
    by John Galt on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:08:32 PM EST
    that this "try and get along" thing just isn't working.


    Because the Demoncrats don't need to play nice here.  They can come in, troll, poop in the pool, and go back to MichiganLibel where they claim they're "winning the blog wars".

    All the while they demand us to hold ours accountable, to declare our folks crooks, and tell us WE'RE responsible for the ideas on keeping the public safe... they can retreat and "ignore" posts asking them for answers.

    They can ignore the posts asking direct questions, only to pop up two hours later and pee in the pool again.

    NoviDemo doesn't want to find a "solution' that would fit everyone.  They don't want to play nice, and get along.  For all his bellyaching about "scoring political points", he's just as guilty and three times as often.  

    I'm beginning to think I like the idea of MichiganLibel's "editorial policy".  Oops, NoviDemon ticked me off?  BLAM!  Wipe that post from the intertubes.  Commie Guru complains about his nickname again?  ZIP!  Erase the snide pointless comment off the site.  Another post from the Dhimmicrats asking us to eat our own for their sins?  ZONK.  Done.  Gone.  Removed.

    One of the problems (none / 0) (#22)
    by snoopygirlmi on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 06:43:14 PM EST
    is that some people think going in and out of jail is a lifestyle - not a punishment.  Jail might be the only permanent residence some of these people have.

    Now if we could get back to hangings in the town square - I think that people would take breaking the law a bit more seriously.  

    You've got to admit-some of those Middle Eastern/Asian countries don't have huge crime problems, like we do.  However, you've also got to admit that a lot of their punishments are what we'd consider "severe".  

    I'm not a huge fan of flogging or the death penalty, but what we have in place isn't obviously is not working.

    If you don't value your life and those lives of people around you, then it might be more of a service to let you die than hang out in jail for 30-40 years- if you are a young person and you've got no chance for parole-no need to keep these people housed for decades.  

    Just a few thoughts.....

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