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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Dishonesty Of The Republican Party?


    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 12:03:15 PM EST
    Tags: "DELE-GATE", Michigan, Dishonesty, Credentials Committee, MiGOP, Saul Anuzis, Corruption, Lies, Cheating, Memos, DeleGATE, Trust, Republican Michigander Blog, Grassroots, End Of the Party (all tags)

    You know, for the first time I agree with that Trotskyite,  Shopshire, who spends his taxpayer paid office time blogging.

    In a post regarding the credentials committee decision to change the rules to favor the meme that Romney carried the day February 28, RM's post invited lefty love.  Kevin Shopshire, alias Communications guru, who often lashes out (thats really ALL he does) at republicans and conservatives frequently, made like a broken clock, and may have found a point where he is right for the second time in his life.  Shopshire made a valid point unfortunately:

    Communications guru said...
    Is anyone really surprised Republicans are dishonest? They should have just saved taxpayers $10 million and gave Romney the delegates. This is such a waste of time; all we are doing is deciding who is going to lose to President Obama in November.
    3/01/2012 3:40 PM

    Republican Michigander said...
    Personally I'd rather have the caucus even if the results would have been more favorable to Romney. Unfortunately this [expletive deleted] gave you a great talking point to use against us.
    3/01/2012 4:04 PM

    Communications guru said...
    Talking point? It's not a talking point; it's about the basic dishonesty of your party.
    3/02/2012 8:08 AM


    The point he makes is that the Republican leadership, framed the election in such a way as to ensure Mitts selection here, and when THAT wasn't as clear a win as they would like, it was obvious the rules were changed to make it more so.  And that Michigan Taxpayers, including Democrats (at least those who really work for a living) are footing the bill for this Kabuki theater presentation.

    The "basic dishonesty of the party" meme is getting harder to defend so long as we have continued dominance by an establishment that operates not in a conservative fashion, but in one that continues to elevate those who play for power, not the good of the people.

    More Below.

    Its dishonest to be a Republican and claim some faux conservative credential while adding social programs which add to the burden our children forever. It is certainly dishonest to ignore good public policy such as right to work, for the fear of losing politically in the house.  It is dishonest to cry foul over the deficit, yet beg for more grants from the federal government and further perpetuate the problem.

    And it is simply outright corruption to change the rules for a different outcome at the game's end in a political contest.

    The Democrats are expected to be crooked.  we KNOW that is how they play the game.  But the willingness to descend into their shadowed ways has begun to reach a crescendo as this political opera continues.  Republicans now play the same game, and join in the manner that drives so many away from the political process.  Making opaque, that which ought to be clear divides those who wish for transparency from those who want the power.

    And perhaps driving honest conservatives away is the point.

    The four on the credentials committee who voted for the change in rules continue to stonewall the call for a change back.  A concerted effort to spin it in a way that gives them some cover is believed by some until they hear the audio tape of the MiGOP chair explaing that those last two delegate applications WILL BE PROPORTIONAL.  Some believe the spin because of Saul's explanation.  Some because of the responses like this one from Schostak himself In a letter to a concerned Republican friend):

    xxxxx,

    Thank you for taking the time to reach out to me and expressing your concerns.  Please know that no rules were changed or modified contrary to what you may be hearing. Sadly, this is presidential politics at its worst.

    The credential committee met Wednesday evening to affirm the intent of a memo that was submitted to the Republican National Committee on February 7.  Again, no rules were altered, no changes were made and no votes were ignored.

    The original credentials committee met and voted on February 4 and it was unanimous.  Candidates that receive 15% of the statewide vote total will be allocated delegates proportionally starting with the candidate who wins the majority of the statewide votes.  The intent of the committee is not in dispute.

    What is in dispute is the interpretation of the memo sent on February 7.  On February 29, the committee met via phone conference and again voted to implement the same process to at-large delegates.  The majority of the committee voted the original intent was to give candidates that receive 15% of the statewide vote total delegates proportionally starting with the candidate who wins the majority of the statewide votes.

    Some have widely misinterpreted what is a complicated process. Others are intentionally muddying the waters to benefit other campaigns.  Again, thank you for taking the time to reach out.

    Sincerely,
    Bobby Schostak


    Thusly Ignoring his own explanation a day AFTER the 'bad' memo was sent out.

    And Saul, in his newsletter, plays the deflection game of "Santorum did something bad so, so, so .." :

    Romney Sweeps Michigan, Arizona & Washington State

    In an impressive show of strength and organizational prowess, Mitt Romney pulled off an impressive "come back" victory in both Arizona and Michigan.  Then last night he won Washington State's caucuses! Romney's message on jobs and the economy resonated with voters.  Even with a not so covert effort on the part of liberal Democrats to "hijack" our primary in favor of their perceived weaker candidate, Romney won convincingly amongst Republicans, Catholics and others parts of our coalition.

    Politics makes strange bedfellows, but I was surprised to see Santorum openly accept and encourage Democrats, labor and liberal to join his coalition in OUR PRIMARY to support his candidacy.  With over 100,000 Democrats voting in Michigan's Republican Primary, Democrats supported Santorum over others by a 3:1 margin, clearly boosting his efforts in many congressional districts across the state.  Republican should nominate our Republican nominee...and Democrats should nominate their own nominee.  We then fight for the hearts, souls and votes of swing and cross-over voters in November.

    Closed Primary & Party Registration

    I think given the fact over 100,000 Democrats came over and tried to hijack the Republican primary to support our perceived "weaker" candidate, we should have an open discussion about changing the way we run our primaries.

    I like primaries over caucuses because it encourages greater participation.  If we had party registration, partisan voters could pick "their" nominee in the primaries and then compete for independent and cross-over votes in the fall.

    Maybe an idea whos time has come???

    Michigan's broken Republican Primary

    "Had the post-primary story been that Romney swept both Arizona and Michigan, it would have been more difficult for Santorum and Gingrich to be perceived as credible candidates and talk of a brokered convention would have been put to rest. Instead, Romney & Co. will continue to spend millions and attack each other at least through Super Tuesday. Once again, Democrats gain from how the Republican nominee is chosen in Michigan.

    It is not clear how to solve the problem of an open primary - but surely if a political party is going to pick its nominee it should do it in a way that ensures it is picked by members of its own party rather than members of the opposing party. My first inclination is to make people declare what party they wish to participate in and to do so far enough ahead that they don't know whether or not there will be a contested race in the primary election or caucus. Regardless, it is time to think about how to have political party nominees be chosen by members of that political party."

    http://www.michiganview.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120302/MIVIEW/203020406/1469

    My Election Night Interview on The Kudlow Report

    Discussing how Democrats cross-over votes helped Santorum...is that a recipe for Republican nomination or concern?

    http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000075877

    Why Michigan was so close, and how Romney won

    "Nearly 1-in-10 voters in the Michigan Republican primary identified with the Democratic Party. These Democratic voters overwhelmingly supported Santorum...By comparison, Romney defeated Santorum among the 59 percent of Republicans casting ballots by a margin of 48 percent to 37 percent and independents by a margin of 35 percent to 34 percent. If the Democrats had not crossed over and voted in the Republican contest, Romney would have won the Michigan Republican primary by 8 percentage points, in the process changing the characterization of the result from a close race to a comfortable victory."


    Change the subject distract the reader.

    There is really no evidence other than a few people saying they were going to vote for Santorum who claimed to be Democrats.  The fact remains, Romney did best in heavy Dem districts and Santorum more so in the conservative republican ones.  Anuzis spins the lies repeatedly, and hopes this is turned into a thing against Santorum to obfuscate the corrupt activities he has pursued in the credentials committee process.

    Saul Anuzis' as a fox guarding the hen house did his job admirably.  As a defender of Republican values however, he gave the left more talking points on the ability to prevaricate by the Republican party.   And while Anuzis is hard at work trying to save his political hide through mis-direction his actions should be thoroughly ejected from party politics permanently.  He is NOT the Republican party but rather a player who apparently will use any means necessary to control its ends.  His pursuit of this is a part of why grassroots distrust the party.

    This issue is less about Romney, Santorum or even Democrats who vote in an open primary process they pay for as well.  It is about truth in process.
    Mike Cox and Eric Doster understand it.

    Shopshire's concern over our dishonesty may be that the Democrats are supposed to have a monopoly on it.   Its THEIR game.

    Unfortunately some of those in our leadership are showing they all too good in the competition.

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    by JGillman on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 01:16:13 PM EST
    Nearly ALL of them straight up PISSED about Saul's shenanigans.

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-the-mi-gop-corruption/signatures/page/20

    I don't know who specifically started the petition, though it was likely Santorum's people.  That isn't the goal here.  It is about accountability and trust.

    we cannot trust the MiGOP with these things repeatedly happening. (Remember Bill cooper?)

    Olongapo Crotch Rot got one right (1.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Corinthian Scales on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 02:26:48 PM EST
    Big whoop.  Michigan isn't the only state level Republicans that have drawn an scrutiny, look at Iowa and Maine.  The alleged end all be all caucus solution is not immune from establishment corruption either.  Sure, Saul needing to go is a given, but how some were able to give benefit of doubt to Conservative conviction with regard to the Party chair still puzzles me.

    For the sake of argument, I'll give the benefit of the doubt on in-state dems outside of Stabenow (who is up in 2012) and chalk it up to builders politics. But Gore? Lieberman in 04? Bill Bradley? Mark Udall and Ben Cardin for key open seats in 06 and 08? Byrum over Rogers? Carnahan in a key swing state. This isn't one, two, or three democrats, but several, and some key ones including presidential campaigns.

    Maybe Schostak is party switcher. I hope that is the case and if so, would explain some of the donations.

    But I have a major concern. There's some schisms and rifts within the party. They will come out in the 2012 elections. I see some "third way" (Clintonian/DLC) tendencies in the donation history. Leland, Jacobs, Stabenow, Lieberman, Gore, Kerry, Byrum, Udall, Cardin, Crist, and Reed. I see that as well in the Romney support for 2008, and later McCain. I don't think Schostak ever cared much for the Daily Kos or Kucinich wing of the dems.

    There's also a schism especially between the Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin wings going back to the end of the 2008 race. For the record, I support neither as my first choice in 2012. There are several candidates I would support before either of them.

    However, it's the MIGOP's job to support who the nominee is. Can I count on Schostak to support whoever the nominee is and do the necessary work to give the candidate a solid chance to win Michigan?

    Let me make this clear, that is not a slam or put down towards Republican Michigander.  It is the best and clearest thoughts available on the Party's choosing of its chair that readily comes to mind.  I just happen to be a bigger skeptic than others as I was when Bushite RINO Weiser was trying to cover dumping on the TEA folk August 2010.  Hindsight is mostly 20/20 and it is more than apparent that chair Schostak does not hold transparency nor Conservative principles in the same regard as a 'native son' and his well funded Progressive personal whims.  Next time though, when anyone looks at where a businessman's money is thrown I would strongly suggest to heed Jack's words.  Those that fund the agenda of Left should not be trusted.  Ever.

    Both Saul Anuzis, and chair Schostak, should resign effective immediately in attempts to restore some semblance of integrity within the Party for the upcoming U.S. Senate election.

    I'm not seeing 100,000 Dems here (none / 0) (#3)
    by Republican Michigander on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 04:06:10 PM EST
    I really don't think there was a lot of crossovers. The polls say otherwise as did the hype, but the results show that most dem voters went with Obama or uncommitted.

    As for Santorum Crossovers, I know he did well on election day in white social conservative union areas, but there wern't a lot of hard core D crossovers. Santorum did best in the middle class and working class Republican areas. Romney did best in the higher money republican areas. Genoa 8 (my parents precinct went almost 3-1 Romney. Most of that was Pine Creek.

    The 29th district:
    Auburn Hills:
    Romney - 40.56% - 743
    Santorum - 34.88% - 639
    Paul - 15.23% - 279
    Obama - 782
    Dem uncommitted - 53

    Pontiac
    Santorum - 575 - 41.01%
    romney 364 - 25.96%
    Paul - 317 - 22.61%
    Obama - 4883 -
    Dem Uncommitted - 2.28%

    Really not a lot of crossover. Pontiac is about 80% Dem. Auburn Hills about 55-65% Democrat.

    51st District Area
    http://www.gc4me.com/departments/county_clerks1/docs/Elections/Feb2012/12FEBPRI_CANVASS.pdf

    Quick looks:
    Santorum won Argentine Twp
    Romney won Atlas (narrowly), Fenton (Big), Grand Blanc, Linden, and Mundy Twp. Some of those were thanks to Absentees, like Atlas (strong GOP) and Mundy (leans dem, but winnable)

    If there was 100,000 democrat votes for Santorum, I don't see it. I'm looking at Ingham County right now. Santorum's doing "well" in Lansing, but those precincts are all small and those are close. Those also could be Republicans as well who may be more social conservative. East Lansing would be a better test for crossovers. Romney did much better than Santorum, and some of the student areas went for Ron Paul. Obama may have even won it. He took a couple precincts 37-25-20, but is that significant? Meridian Township - Romney easily. Santorum won Webberville and some of the rural areas.

    I think crossovers may have factored in the 13th district, but places like Westland, Redford, and Garden City would be more friendly to Santorum anyway than other areas in Wayne County. Plymouth/Northville and Grosse Pointes aren't Santorum territory.

    And the establishment hits... (1.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Corinthian Scales on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 05:44:58 PM EST
    ...just keep on coming.

    http://rationalnationusa.blogspot.com/2011/09/another-reason-of-many-that-rino-hacks.html

    This election is going to be the biggest waste of time and money in American history.

    I am glad (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by LookingforReagan on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 11:34:27 AM EST
    That I didn't waste my time voting in the recent faux primary. When I found out that it was open(again) I got rather pissed. Why vote and have my vote canceled out by one of the Bosheviks from the Southeast corner down by the Detoilet. The stupid level continues to go up in the state and national parties. Really the only solution is to give the GOP the kiss off and start a party based on Conservative principles and ideas. The GOP is content to be the flip side of a counterfit coin willing to deliver Socialism at a cheaper rate then the Commie Lib Progressives on the other side. We are rapidly becoming no different then Great Britain, France and the rest of the Socialist Europe and we now see what American will look like in ten years or less. It would appear that as Lady Thatcher predicted, Great Britain and the rest of the Yurps have run out of other peoples money.
    That will soon happen here as well.

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