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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    We Do Need God.


    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 09:58:40 AM EST
    Tags: God, Jesus, Christ, King of Kings, Yahweh, Holy Spirit, Infinite Spirit, Jah, Jehovah, Almighty, Creator, Divine Being, Father (all tags)

    Grand Rapids has a new look.  And it is ugly.

    In the largely Dutch Christian part of the state, a group calling themselves the "Center For Inquiry" is blowing $2.700.00 a month for a billboard that declares "you don't need God."  WZZM 13 in Grand Rapids' story has the spokesperson (at about 1:10 ) declaring:


    "we're good people we have morals, we have good ethics, we give back to our communities. ..."

    One must ask first "WHY would anyone spend that kind of cash to advance a negative goal?" Secondly, who (or what) should we believe in? as a common decider of fate? Walmart? Them? The government?

    Perhaps that is the problem we face.

    Below. ~

    Good ethics do not separate tradition from people who have embraced it.  Giving back to our communities does not require the stripping away of a moral foundation that not only guides our daily actions but guided those who secured the rights we presume to enjoy today. And being "good" and "moral" doesn't follow, unless those who deny a singular source of WHAT IS good and moral don't care about a shifting relative foundation.

    Would they assign a set of "morals" and stick with them?  The founders did through a recognition of God's will. Could these good and moral people apply their morals universally? God has, and the founders recognizing those morals stated so when declaring

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

    The undeniable statement by our founders that there are things mans laws, relative developments, and changing society cannot take away is that true "rights" are indeed assigned by our Creator; our God.

    There can be but one set of universally recognized truths, and that is when we are conceived, our nature is to live, otherwise we would die without developing. It is to be free, otherwise we would stand still, would not move, would not think.  It is to pursue, create, acquire, or we would not make shelter, feed ourselves, develop skills. There is no society on earth where these things so eloquently stated in Jefferson's drafting of the declaration are not relevant, or not true.

    No place at all.

    Even freedom loving atheists ought to consider this a good thing.  Atheists who consider the supernatural impossible, improbable, unscientific can recognize that those truths are indeed self evident, even if allowing for the "Creator" to be described only as "Mother." But mom cannot rule mankind. Mom can be altered and changed, and can presume to take away those rights as we have seen in the embellished news cycles of late. So even Mom would not be sufficient for those who would desire a consistent platform of rights as recognized by all who live, move and pursue.

    And we return to the statement as presented by this CFI group that "you don't need God."

    What then do we need?  What then binds humanity through different governments, both benevolent and abusive?

    If one cannot rely on the truth that God our creator, has given us certain rights, then they would not exist.  If the argument becomes one where government grants those rights, then cannot a government take them away? If the standard is the relative nature of whatever government exists, then the rights we see as self evident truths become simply "permissions."

    Logically, we DO need God. Atheists need God. Mankind needs God.

    I need God.

    < ...they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. | Sanity, Ignorance, Ignorance, Sanity/Ignorance, Intrusion, and Intrusion with a Dash of Ignorance >


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    Bring it Jason! (none / 0) (#1)
    by Rougman on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 11:37:03 AM EST
    Imagine a constitution written by the likes of the "Center for Inquiry."  

    These people are not only comfortable in their megalomaniac skin, but go so far as to embrace the fruits of their narcissism as "moral."  Feeling that something is right or wrong is enough for them to go on.  

    Anyone who assigns themselves the skill to be "the" moral or ethical arbiter based upon their own goodness and wisdom is but a few steps removed from the classical definition of a tyrant.  Without a God, man becomes God--perhaps a concept the Center for Inquiry is completely at home with.  

    What a great post.

    I'm going to get banned for this... (none / 0) (#2)
    by archiespeck on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 11:48:45 AM EST
    ...but whatever.

    I have had it with the religious right and the GOP's pandering to them. They are a distraction to what must get done.

    If the GOP could drop the holier than thou act and be the party of economic prosperity, low taxes and keeping government tiny and out of our lives we would OWN the country. But no -- instead we get evangelical senators who end up being repressed homosexual meth addicts. Oy. You wonder why our side has an image problem?

    The GOP signed a suicide pact with people who believe the earth was created 5,000 years ago and that the party who is for small government should regulate things like who marries whom. You don't think that turns off independents? Look at the latest polls that show Romney having a better shot at beating Obama than Perry, who is more popular with the "base." I wonder why? Could it be because one holds prayer rallies?

    This post exemplifies this. What in the HELL does some stupid billboard from god knows who have to do with getting Michigan back on track economically? Nothing. At. All.

    It's a distraction. Just like the abortion wars are a distraction, gay marriage is a distraction, school prayer, etc. etc.

    And trust me, the liberals LOVE it.

    Not applicable anymore (none / 0) (#4)
    by archiespeck on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 12:46:47 PM EST
    Liberals have Muslims firmly in their camp, which would put them in a heap of trouble if they started talking about eliminating religion. They're in WAY too deep with Muslims now occupying seats in Congress.

    It may not be a suicide pact, but it is always a distraction when the culture wars (i.e. abortion, gay marriage) rear their head.

    Conservative First (none / 0) (#9)
    by archiespeck on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 11:31:17 AM EST
    I hear you. And if social issues ushered in every fiscal conservative, I would vote for James Dobson for president. Don't misconstrue what I say to mean that I would EVER vote for a lib or a dem over the GOP/conservative candidate.

    I think the advantage social conservatives may have is on the "local" level -- state posts, Congressional office, and governors and senators in certain states that have homogenous demographics.

    But on a more "national" level (president, senate and govs in less homogenous states), I think social conservatives can hamstring the conservative movement. And, yes, I realize a lot of this is dictated by the press, but to the average voter perception is reality. Unfortunately a lot of people are dumb enough to believe what is reported to them on the NBC News or Good Morning America.

    Like most things, it's a complicated issue. And, yes, my personal biases factor into my analysis.

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