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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Michigan's Super Sabbatical Crew


    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 11:27:42 AM EST
    Tags: Michigan, Congress, Constitution, Shame, Failure to Lead, Super Congress, Committee, Adbicating Responsibility, Rome, Caesar, Obama (all tags)

    (and the new Roman senate)

    Even the moderates in Michigan should be filling their drawers with the end result of the debt solution. The "solution" provided by our castrated leadership demonstrates a complete ignorance of the constitution in the face of the elements which desire the destruction of said document. They poured on the gasoline, and our delegation lit it.

    No congressman from Michigan should have voted for the debt ceiling increase without fully understanding what he or she was doing.  Even then, to do so, was to retire from the obligation of the office held.

    And this is not about money.

    How can a committee created to craft legislation that is composed from members in both houses exist?  Though the 17th amendment destroyed the separation of people and state representation as planned by our founders already, it still did not change that the houses would be separate.  This "super congress" committee of 6 from each house is a blasphemy to those who still believe in the protections afforded by our founders with the TRUE law of the land; our constitution.

    Below

    In this committee, the leadership chooses its most loyal followers:

    (4) MEMBERSHIP-

    (A) IN GENERAL- The joint committee shall be composed of 12 members appointed pursuant to subparagraph (B).

    (B) APPOINTMENT- Members of the joint committee shall be appointed as follows:

    (i) The majority leader of the Senate shall appoint three members from among Members of the Senate.

    (ii) The minority leader of the Senate shall appoint three members from among Members of the Senate.

    (iii) The Speaker of the House of Representatives shall appoint three members from among Members of the House of Representatives.

    (iv) The minority leader of the House of Representatives shall appoint three members from among Members of the House of Representatives.


    So all will play nice. Its good to have friends.

    But you suckers who passed this trash have given your voice away completely.  Though committees can send recommendations to this super committee, it is highly unlikely that it would matter.  You don't even have a say on the make up of legislation for which you will vote. An "up or down" will be the choice, and as an "oh-by-the-way," it then sets up the default actions which you ALSO have no control over, as these things must be "expedited":

    (b) Consideration in the House of Representatives-

    (1) REFERRAL AND REPORTING- Any committee of the House of Representatives to which the joint committee bill is referred shall report it to the House without amendment not later than December 9, 2011. If a committee fails to report the joint committee bill within that period, it shall be in order to move that the House discharge the committee from further consideration of the bill. Such a motion shall not be in order after the last committee authorized to consider the bill reports it to the House or after the House has disposed of a motion to discharge the bill. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the motion to its adoption without intervening motion except 20 minutes of debate equally divided and controlled by the proponent and an opponent. If such a motion is adopted, the House shall proceed immediately to consider the joint committee bill in accordance with paragraphs (2) and (3). A motion to reconsider the vote by which the motion is disposed of shall not be in order.

    (2) PROCEEDING TO CONSIDERATION- After the last committee authorized to consider a joint committee bill reports it to the House or has been discharged (other than by motion) from its consideration, it shall be in order to move to proceed to consider the joint committee bill in the House. Such a motion shall not be in order after the House has disposed of a motion to proceed with respect to the joint committee bill. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the motion to its adoption without intervening motion. A motion to reconsider the vote by which the motion is disposed of shall not be in order.

    (3) CONSIDERATION- The joint committee bill shall be considered as read. All points of order against the joint committee bill and against its consideration are waived. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the joint committee bill to its passage without intervening motion except 2 hours of debate equally divided and controlled by the proponent and an opponent and one motion to limit debate on the joint committee bill. A motion to reconsider the vote on passage of the joint committee bill shall not be in order.

    (4) VOTE ON PASSAGE- The vote on passage of the joint committee bill shall occur not later than December 23, 2011.

    (c) Expedited Procedure in the Senate-

    (1) COMMITTEE CONSIDERATION- A joint committee bill introduced in the Senate under subsection (a) shall be jointly referred to the committee or committees of jurisdiction, which committees shall report the bill without any revision and with a favorable recommendation, an unfavorable recommendation, or without recommendation, not later than December 9, 2011. If any committee fails to report the bill within that period, that committee shall be automatically discharged from consideration of the bill, and the bill shall be placed on the appropriate calendar.

    (2) MOTION TO PROCEED- Notwithstanding Rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate, it is in order, not later than 2 days of session after the date on which a joint committee bill is reported or discharged from all committees to which it was referred, for the majority leader of the Senate or the majority leader's designee to move to proceed to the consideration of the joint committee bill. It shall also be in order for any Member of the Senate to move to proceed to the consideration of the joint committee bill at any time after the conclusion of such 2-day period. A motion to proceed is in order even though a previous motion to the same effect has been disagreed to. All points of order against the motion to proceed to the joint committee bill are waived. The motion to proceed is not debatable. The motion is not subject to a motion to postpone. A motion to reconsider the vote by which the motion is agreed to or disagreed to shall not be in order. If a motion to proceed to the consideration of the joint committee bill is agreed to, the joint committee bill shall remain the unfinished business until disposed of.

    (3) CONSIDERATION- All points of order against the joint committee bill and against consideration of the joint committee bill are waived. Consideration of the joint committee bill and of all debatable motions and appeals in connection therewith shall not exceed a total of 30 hours which shall be divided equally between the Majority and Minority Leaders or their designees. A motion further to limit debate on the joint committee bill is in order, shall require an affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members duly chosen and sworn, and is not debatable. Any debatable motion or appeal is debatable for not to exceed 1 hour, to be divided equally between those favoring and those opposing the motion or appeal. All time used for consideration of the joint committee bill, including time used for quorum calls and voting, shall be counted against the total 30 hours of consideration.

    (4) NO AMENDMENTS- An amendment to the joint committee bill, or a motion to postpone, or a motion to proceed to the consideration of other business, or a motion to recommit the joint committee bill, is not in order.

    (5) VOTE ON PASSAGE- If the Senate has voted to proceed to the joint committee bill, the vote on passage of the joint committee bill shall occur immediately following the conclusion of the debate on a joint committee bill, and a single quorum call at the conclusion of the debate if requested. The vote on passage of the joint committee bill shall occur not later than December 23, 2011.

    (6) RULINGS OF THE CHAIR ON PROCEDURE- Appeals from the decisions of the Chair relating to the application of the rules of the Senate, as the case may be, to the procedure relating to a joint committee bill shall be decided without debate.

    (d) Amendment- The joint committee bill shall not be subject to amendment in either the House of Representatives or the Senate.

    To our Representative friends from Michigan:
      Instead of stopping the spending cold, you gave the same people who in the last 4 decades have spent our children's inheritance the ability to do more damage with fewer checks than ever.  You have allowed the two houses to in-effect congeal as one, with more power than any committee of congress has ever held, and no ability to demand reasonable debate on any topic this "super congress" puts before you.

    You gave away your responsibility. Any other legislation pending becomes subservient to the policy wishes of this committee without debate.

    You will now have to live with this until January, and if I had to guess, there will develop a mechanism that attempts to extend it permanently.

    You might as well take a vacation, you aren't needed anymore.

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    But .. but .. but... J-man?!?! (none / 0) (#1)
    by Corinthian Scales on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 12:12:28 PM EST
    Mitch says that you're full of crap.

    The mealy-mouthed bastard has been at the Senate gummint trough for 26 years.  I can't stand him or his Party 'elected class' McRINO cronies.

    People in Kentucky, WTF is wrong with you?  Find another Rand Paul already.

    "I'd rather be a hobbit than a troll.  The hobbits were the heroes in the book."

    PRICELESS!

    ...and, fight on brother.

    I could be wrong . . . (none / 0) (#2)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 12:37:30 PM EST
    . . . but it seems to me that we are now just that much closer to rule by oligarchy:

    And if this stands, then we are definitely going to need to do some altering or abolishing of our current government.

    And while the White House may be the highest-profile target (yes, Secretary Napolitano, I used the "t-word"), it must not be the only target.  If all of the "deforms" enacted during the Obama-Reid-McConnell-Pelosi-Boehner watch are not repealed immediately, and both the true socialists and the useful idiots from each party removed from office not later than the next time they have to stand for re-election, then before 2016 this nation may be past the point of no return.




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