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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Repeal the 17th

    By Crippy, Section News
    Posted on Wed Jan 26, 2011 at 05:13:21 PM EST
    Tags: South Carolina, Nullification, 17th Amendment, John C. Calhoun (all tags)

    ~ Promoted because you mentioned the 'heat miser'. ~

    The United States Constitution has endured for over 200 years despite the meddling of scheming politicians, at both the state and federal level, and the apathy of a less than vigilant body politic.

    The intent of the Founders was to create a system of government similar to that recorded by Moses in the Old Testament. The fundamental principle of this system of government was to place an emphasis on strong, local, self-government where problems were solved at the level where they originated. Only the most complex problems were supposed to be elevated to the next level. This design intended to limit the size and reach of the federal government and preserve the power and sovereignty of the several states.

    Preservation of states' rights was of utmost importance to the Founders.  As  James Madison articulated in Federalist 45,

    "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite....The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the life, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."

    The 17th amendment changes the election of senators to a popular vote instead of appointment by the state legislatures thereby leaving the states without any true representation at the federal level.  As a result, a constitutionally limited republic has been transformed into a national democracy on the fast track to aristocratic tyranny.  

    The senate no longer produces men beholden to the states for power, such as John C. Calhoun, who stated thus to the senate in 1832,

    ""The Constitution is a contract in which the states appear as sovereigns.  Now every time a contract is drawn up between parties with no common arbitrator, each of them retains the right to judge the scope of its obligation by itself."

    The speech was in regard to the up roar in the South Carolina over federal tariffs.  The state of South Carolina was so incensed that they passed a law that forbid South Carolinians from collecting or remitting the tariffs.  Further, they told the federal courts not to bother with any of the challenges brought against the law because they didn't care what the federal courts said.  

    Oh, South Carolina then called up and armed its militia.

    Can anybody imagine Heat Miser or Marx Levin defending Michigan's sovereignty in front of the senate or anywhere for that matter?

    To correct our future course, an examination of roads previously traveled would be helpful.  Upon this review a repeal of the 17th amendment would seem to be a step in the right direction.


    "When they kick out your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun. " - The Clash, Guns of Brixton

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    This would be a giant step (none / 0) (#1)
    by RushLake on Wed Jan 26, 2011 at 07:33:41 PM EST
    toward breaking the back of organized labor in Michigan. Karl Lenin would be gone from his faux Michigan residency faster than Clueless Jenny left for Bezerkly.

    • Jenny... by Crippy, 01/26/2011 07:53:29 PM EST (none / 0)
      • Nahhhhhh! by KG One, 01/26/2011 08:41:50 PM EST (none / 0)
    A question (none / 0) (#4)
    by goppartyreptile on Wed Jan 26, 2011 at 10:08:53 PM EST
    Why was the 17th Amendment ratified?  

    What possible purpose did the people have in mind, when they did this?

    Could there possibly be any legitimate explanation?

    Simply put: Bossism.

    See, folks long ago amended the constitution to stop the inherent corruption of the big city machines.

    Whether the original method for selecting senators is the correct one or not, the point is that monkeying with the Constitution can and will have unintended consequences.

    Consequences that people don't think of, when they want to change this or complain about that... even if they feel justified at the time.

    (think term limits, all that populist stuff)

    We need to know our history before we jump off cliffs trying to come up with silver bullets that don't fix problems.

    Theories (none / 0) (#8)
    by goppartyreptile on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 12:30:10 AM EST
    There is no theory... good government reformers sought direct election of senators to break the power of bosses like Boss Tweed, Mark Hannah, George Cox, guys like that.

    It was corruption they were fighting, not looking for ways to get welfare passed.  And whether they were right or wrong, the lesson should be instructive on this blog and so many others I read where everyone has a silver bullet to fix government.  Be it a part time legislature, term limits, docking pay, whatever.

    There are unintended consequences to everything we do.  

    And here's one if we repeal the 17th amendment:

    In every state, the legislative delegation from the largest cities control the largest block of votes.  And what party/philosophy do those groups invariably belong to?

    The GOP had a good year in the MI Legislature.  But don't think for a second that there is a lock on the next election... the same GOP lost and regained 20 seats in something like six years.

    But you know what? Wayne County, Genesee County, Saginaw... those types of places either stayed the same, or the GOP candidate is hanging on by a thread.

    So, who do you think, when things average out, is going to be controlling our senate delegation?

    And what about California. Or New York?

    Quick fixes do not work.

    It isn't sexy, but we have to prove we are right.  We have to win the argument.  And we can do that better in an election than in trying to change the Constitution for this or that reason.

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