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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Pass It To See What Is In It

    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:52:14 AM EST
    Tags: Michigan, HB4111, Obamacare, Pass It To See Whats In it, Grants, Secrecy, Classified Results, Bureaucracy, Losing Freedoms, False Choices, Primarying Recruitment (all tags)

    Oh for Pete's sake.

    We've been here before, except our Republicans were actually fighting the unknown aspects of the new socialism coming from Washington.  Now our governor is acting as a conduit of liberties being taken from us, and there are even willing accomplices which we had not expected. This never should have been allowed out of committee, and it it wasn't for the compromised position that Jase Bolger put himself in (Roy Schmidt), it wouldn't even be coming up for a vote.

    This was posted on Facebook.  It is reportedly a discussion between Norm Hughes and Michigan State Representative Martin Howrylak:

    Martin Howrylak: Norm - I voted against this in committee today and intend to vote against it on the floor tomorrow.

    Norm Hughes: Thank you for voting against it, Martin. You are a patriot! The Governor will go across the aisle and get his votes from Democrats. Please work on your colleagues. Thanks

    Martin Howrylak: Norm - This thing is going to pass big time. I am standing up for principle on this one. Also, the feds will not let the legislature review the grant document. They say it is classified. My congressman is working to help us get the document released. Can you imagine this? We are supposed to vote on accepting a grant that nobody has had access to. I am flabbergasted that I am the only one asking for this. Quite frustrating.

    Norm Hughes: Mike Shirkey is in the same boat. Unbelievable. Gotta pass it to see what is in it? Martin I held highly classified positions in the Federal Government and I cannot imagine WHAT in a health care grant could possibly be classified. Maybe a fillibuster is in order.

    OK, tie it up, because we need to get to the bottom of this first.

    How can a grant be classified?  And how could ANYONE even think of voting for something without reviewing it completely?

    If this is true, we have a bigger problem than just this one item of malfeasance. Every damned one of those legislators better have a grasp on what they are loading up on Michiganders.  As it is, we will spend the next year recruiting candidates up and down the state especially for primaries of non term limited cretins who vote for this thing without understanding what you are actually taking from us.

    I have independently verified there is a communication rift between the feds and our legislators with regard to this.  This from one who will likely vote FOR the measure:

    "We have requested from HHS a copy of the federal docs for review and our requests have been ignored."
    Isn't that special?

    CALL NOW!! quid est consequentia segnitiae?

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    There goes the neighborhood! (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by TiredIronTim on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:40:19 AM EST
    The People's House has been commandeered by a rogue Governor via a beholden Speaker.

    If I can't trust you, I have no use for you. When I send my elected representative a message that goes unanswered for weeks on end, it becomes clear my Republican Representative has far too much in common with a Democrat Representative. Promised phone calls don't occur, and it merely erases any doubts as to where Eileen Kowall's priorities lie.

    I can not in good conscience support anyone who fails to represent my best interests, acts irresponsibly while attending to affairs of state as my agent, or ignores my request for discussion of issues and concerns in a timely manner.

    I'm not the brightest candle on the cake, but I am smart enough to recognize disrespect when I'm confronted with it.

    With Republicans acting like this, who needs Democrats?

    • Well stated by Corinthian Scales, 02/28/2013 10:01:32 AM EST (none / 0)
      • Scales by grannynanny, 02/28/2013 11:23:10 AM EST (none / 0)
        • Yup by Corinthian Scales, 02/28/2013 11:31:02 AM EST (none / 0)
    I had a lengthy chat with Ken Yonker . . . (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 10:23:53 AM EST
    . . . who's my State Representative, and I know he's a "no" vote.  (I also know that Tom Hooker is a "no" vote.)  The trick is going to be convincing Pete MacGregor, Lisa Lyons, and Rob VerHeulen.  I've talked with MacGregor's office, and I think he can be brought back to the light.

    The key talking points I'm using are these:

    • According to the NFIB v. Sebelius decision, the states have the authority to neuter ObamaCare by merely refusing the technology expansion and medicaid expansion.

    • In states where even the technology exchange has been implemented, underemployment has skyrocketed due to employers cutting their non-critical workforce back to 29 hours per week.

    • The federal contract to implement this technology expansion is considered a classified document until the House approves the bill.  "We have to pass it so we can find out what's in it" is a bad idea.

    • If the Governor is relying on democrat votes to pass a bill that he's supporting, that ought to be an indicator that there's a snake in the woodpile somewhere.

    The scary part is that the GoverNerd likely has the votes to pull this off.  He has every democrat -- all 51 of them -- and only needs to peel 6 republicans to get this done.

    My rep (none / 0) (#5)
    by grannynanny on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 11:26:40 AM EST
    is Tom Leonard.  I wrote to him just an hour ago.  No answer and I don't see any stance on his web page.  He is pretty conservative so I am hoping he is not on the Obamascare band wagon.  

    The Nerd apparently is quite happy doing the Pelosi we have to pass it to see what is in it dance.    

    If other states have passed this crap have they seen the top secret grant language yet?  

    Aaand... it's done (none / 0) (#9)
    by Corinthian Scales on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 01:34:12 PM EST
    Vote Breakdown via Core Principles (none / 0) (#10)
    by Conservative First on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 03:24:31 PM EST
    Here are the 29 Republicans who voted YES on the bill:
    Bolger, Callton, Crawford, Denby, Forlini, Foster, Glardon, Haines, Haveman, Heise, Jacobsen, Kesto, Kowall, Lori, Lyons, MacGregor, MacMaster, Pagel, Poleski, Potvin, Price, Pscholka, Rogers, Schmidt, Stamas, VerHeulen, Walsh, Zorn.

    The thirty Republicans voting NO on the bill:
    Bumstead, Cotter, Daley, Farrington, Franz, Genatski, Goike, Graves, Hooker, Howrylak, Jenkins, Johnson, Kelly, Kurtz, LaFontaine, Lauwers, Leonard, Lund, McBroom, McMillin, Muxlow, Nesbitt, O'Brien, Outman, Pettalia, Rendon, Shirkey, Somerville, Victory, Yonker.

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