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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

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    Cain's Folly?

    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Mon Oct 24, 2011 at 08:56:25 AM EST
    Tags: Herman Cain, Abortion, 9-9-9, Jesus Christ, God, Mistakes, Corrections, Primaries (all tags)

    Much is being made over the apparent switch from for to against, with regard to abortion.  Pundits either neutral, or against the candidacy of Herman Cain are picking away at whatever mistakes they can find.  Be it the 9-9-9 plan or this particular issue of the day being his apparent wavering on the abortion debate.  A Traverse City, MI friend writes:
    "I haven't been following Cain as well as some of you so I'm forwarding this to get your take on the article and the comments about his true position on those issues.   If might be good if one of you that have been strong supporters from the get go would maybe comment on this ...

    Seeking clarity,  xxxx xxxxx"

    I support Cain now as much as I have since early on.  I don't think apparent waffling has anything to do with trying to be on the popular side of the issue either.  It was the non politically correct attitude which drew me to the Herman Cain Camp in the first place.  It was the ability to face down what is WRONG with the system, with little regard on how many people might not like their cheese moved that elevated my respect for the man.

    So I responded (below)

    For clarity, consider the choices available.  Do any of them align perfectly with your views?  If so, that is your choice.

    Cain, for all his lack of political skills, is human.  He makes mistakes.  Mistakes that are amplified by his current leadership in the polls.  If Rick Santorum was ahead, Herman Cain's remarks would go unnoticed.  What does this say about the gaffs being made by the others?

    It says we aren't seeing them.

    The bottom line that we all should understand is that we aren't selecting candidates for Jesus Christ.

    We are electing a president who represents all that is good and bad about us.  Whomever we choose, it won't be an unsoiled soul.

    The tax plan is a plan, but it is meaningless for purposes of our criticism.  It represents a starting point for discussion of our failed system as it is.   At least that is something.  Critics can make hay, but they should then be required to suggest their alternatives.  Sans any, their opinions mean little.

    Abortion on the other hand is a far more delicate affair.  It involves that which has been extended as a gift from God.  There are a great many who (including myself at one point in life) have considered rape and incest to be acceptable reasons.  At least until the process of thinking through the "life begins at conception" idea.  Gotcha moments through media are simply tools of the trade.  They also catch the 'learned' responses our society has provided.

    But epiphany is a marvelous tool.

    Cain caught it, and though he may not be sure how to break out of it completely, it reveals how even a good man can be soiled yet pull himself away from the current acceptable standards under which such things are protected across ideologies.  He is imperfect.

    We all are.

    We should get used to it.

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    Cain's first response (none / 0) (#1)
    by archiespeck on Mon Oct 24, 2011 at 12:11:48 PM EST
    I actually thought Cain's first response on abortion ("I abhor it, but don't believe that a government bureaucrat should have any say in it") was perfect. It was brave, principled and the most in line with true conservative, tea party values. Keeping the government completely out of our lives should be priority 1 for true conservatives.

    I then lost all respect for him when he followed up with his little tap dance for the religious right. The guy is obviously willing to say and do anything to get elected.

    Establishment GOP Looking for Footing (none / 0) (#12)
    by Rougman on Mon Oct 24, 2011 at 04:12:45 PM EST
    Jason, you have it exactly correct.  Cain is not an accomplished politician though he is an accomplished businessman and an accomplished communicator.  If I had to wander around every day while making sure never to utter a word in error while also making certain I don't misunderstand a question, misinterpret any context, misjudge the intent of any questioner, or mishandle rapid fire questions designed for my mishandling, I think I'd be happy with only making several gaffes a week.  

    It is now all about the attention that Cain is receiving--he is dangerous.  This morning Karl Rove was more than content to say that Cain had peaked and was going to begin a dissent.  Well of course Rove would say that, he is a card carrying member of the establishment GOP that looks at Cain as being every bit the establishment GOP outsider as John Kerry was.  As long as Rove has Romney in the race to represent the good-old-establishment-RINO-GOP-network, he is going to be happy to toss Cain's candidacy into the dust bin hoping that casually interested voters will follow his lead.

    This is one of the reasons why I think the debates and today's gotcha politics does such a disservice to voters.  These people have long records that span scores of years that we should be able to look to to form an opinion, but instead the talking heads and the experts and the political pundits frame the narrative in such a way that unfavorable candidates can be tripped up along the way.  

    Good grief.  Here we have Karl Rove, a man who agreed with the prescription drug benefit, a man who agreed with TARP, a man who agreed with No Child Left Behind, a man who agreed with an explosion of federal debt the likes we had never seen in the history of our nation, telling us that Cain was losing his appeal "among Republicans" because of a list of gaffes he presented on a dry erase board to viewers.

    I'm not going to let Cain's missteps on message in any way compete with his lifetime of achievement just because the establishment GOP wants a guy who agrees with the concept of AGW, amnesty for illegal aliens, TARP, national health care, etc., elected to office because, ostensibly, he's put in the proper amount of time at the country club and carries the proper message.

    If I vote for Cain it will be because I have thoroughly investigated him. The same can be said of any other candidate.  Karl and his posse of monolithic grow-it-slowly-statists can stick it.

    I have to say... Cain is brilliant (none / 0) (#16)
    by Corinthian Scales on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 01:55:28 PM EST
    The entire blogosphere, Obama News Sycophants and other assorted news chattering class have been having vapors over a possible "hiden meaning" behind the eeeeeeevil smoker in the latest message to supporters from Cain 2012.

    Conspiracy?  Nope. "I smoke. It's a choice. Block being Block. What more do you want me to say?"

    Not a damn thing, Mr. Block.  It's life, it's legal, and people are free to smoke if they want to.  Make no excuses to any of the Nanny asshats for that.

    Big time kudos to the Hermanator on this one.

    • Delicious!!! by JGillman, 10/25/2011 02:06:41 PM EST (none / 0)
    • Gosh by Rougman, 10/25/2011 06:41:56 PM EST (5.00 / 1)
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