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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    In the Best Interests of a Detroit Child


    By Rougman, Section News
    Posted on Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 11:11:24 AM EST
    Tags: Education, Detroit, Robert Bobb, Detroit Public Schools (all tags)

    In the best interests of the child is a term most often raised when it comes to family court and child custody. It is a term that helps to describe how child advocates, both those within the legal system and those on the outside, attempt to arrive at legal judgments that most benefit the children.

    It is also a system that on its face is too often turned on its head with advocates and judges routinely making decisions based on arbitrary factors such as sex of the parent, money, and which parent is most easily pacified. Best interest of the child?

    While at least legal lip service is given to the term in family, probate and circuit courts, no such whispers of "in the best interests of the child" are being entertained in the recent victory of the Detroit school board over its emergency financial manager, Robert Bobb.

    But, this must all be put in context. Robert Bobb is, after all, an emergency financial manager. He did not come to serve in the Detroit School District in a time of peace, for the district's academic and financial track records had been dismal for years.

    Need examples?

    Detroit's school children ranked dead last in national standardized tests that pitted its students against those enrolled in other large publicly run school districts. Detroit's school district ranked dead last in graduation rates in the entire country coming in at only 25 percent, and many of those students that did manage to graduate from Detroit's crumbling educational system needed remedial education courses upon enrollment in college. To top all of that off, the district itself had churned up hundreds of millions of dollars in debt despite the fact that it had for years enjoyed special funding status among all of Michigan's school districts due to its sheer size. To put it frankly, the school board, administration, contractors and teachers of Detroit's public school system had fiddled with their children's educations while Rome burned--for many, many years.

    Along came Robert Bobb. Appointed to the position of emergency financial manager by Governor Jennifer Granholm (a move that came way too late as far as I'm concerned,) Bobb hit the ground running and didn't bother to groom the egos of those who he determined were partially responsible for the district's demise.

    He wrestled with school board members, he took on ineffective administrators, he attacked graft within the system, he shut down ongoing financial fraud schemes, he ended contracts, shut down schools, and he butted heads with the well entrenched Detroit unions. While every one of these head butts provided financial benefits to the district itself, few of the head knockings produced any friends among the wolves who had been protecting the hen house all along.

    Bobb entered the Detroit scene with his eye firmly focused on finances, but it didn't take an airport scanner to see through the layers of academic deception that was the DPS. The test scores made it visible. The graduation rates made it visible. Feedback from recruiters at the college level made it visible. Bobb determined (as any sane person would) that the academic structure of the DPS was every bit of the failure that its financial structure was.

    Bobb then began taking academic control from the people who had failed so miserably. He installed sweeping academic reforms for the district over the objections of those who had a track record of failure. He already had the enemies, but now he was making them even angrier.

    Bobb's enemies sought the only recourse that they had--the courts. The courts in this instance had no reason to even consider what was in the best interests of the children. All the courts had to do was determine whether Bobb acted legally or not by stepping beyond his role of emergency financial manager.

    The children? Never mind them.

    Judge Wendy Baxter's ruling chastised Bobb for marginalizing the board's role, which she said exceeded his power. She noted, for instance, that Bobb would be within his rights to close a school for financial shortfalls, but not for academic performance.

    In April, Baxter granted the school board an injunction to halt Bobb's authority over academic decisions. That order was overturned on appeal.

    In Monday's ruling, she granted the board a permanent injunction, pointedly calling Bobb's academic plan "uninformed by the lack of education expertise."

    Hmmm. Does she mean that Bobb's academic plan needs the educational expertise of those same outstanding educators that had helped lift the children of Detroit to the lofty academic perches of both the lowest test scores and the highest dropout rates in the entire nation?

    The school board won while Bobb and the children lost. Now, whose best interests were served here?

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    Oh So True (none / 0) (#1)
    by grannynanny on Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 02:37:22 PM EST
    And I believe the attorney for the school board was on Beckman's program this morning and completely trashed Bobb and was babbling about how this was a big win for the school board and the teachers.

    I think the whole school board and a majority of the teachers should be jailed for what they have done to the school system and the children it is supposed to serve.

    I'm beginning to sound like a broken record here.. (none / 0) (#2)
    by KG One on Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 04:02:25 PM EST
    ...but, c'mon.

    Does anyone really expect anything different?

    This from a city that elected an illiterate to be president of the School Board.

    The same man who later resigned in disgrace after being caught pleasuring himself at a public meeting (seriously, I am NOT making this up!).

    A wise trucker once told me that stupidity should be painful.

    Robert Bobb only has a few months left on his contract and it cannot be extended.

    Once his contract is over, even though I have my differences with the man (there is no denying the good he has done), I wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors.

    No one who is as capable as him, who is in their right mind, will ever want to replace him.

    And as I've suggested before, the best thing to do here is to let DPS implode on its own.

    Gov. Snyder can direct AG Scheutte to go in and clean house.

    Once people see past and present DPS Board members and officials hauled away in cuffs, tried, and rooming with Kwame and Monica, people might wise up that there are consequences for their actions. Only then will you begin to see an improvement in DPS.

    Not before.

    Snyder has said (none / 0) (#4)
    by grannynanny on Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 06:46:32 PM EST
    Detroit is essential to Michigan's recovery.  He got that right - GIVE DETROIT to Canada - lock, stock and barrell.  Problem solved.

    I am so sick of pouring money into this  hell hole and getting nothing back except a hand asking for more.  

    I would have more respect for Snyder if he told Dave Bing to shove it. Detroit is like owning a boat - a hole into which one keeps throwing money.

    Michigan taxpayers deserve better.  

    Forget DPS, Focus on the Kids (none / 0) (#5)
    by DougDante on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 12:08:42 AM EST
    DPS now has 73,000 students.

    http://www.freep.com/article/20101123/NEWS01/11230353/Detroit-Public-Schools-to-lose-19-million

    In 2002 DPS had 159,000 students.

    http://www.data360.org/pub_dp_report.aspx?Data_Plot_Id=538

    In the last 20 years, DPS had over 200,000 students.

    These children have not disappeared, they and  their families have opted out of DPS.

    The majority of Detroit's children now attend either suburban schools of choice or public charter schools.

    It's time to stop pretending that DPS's student population is equivalent to the school aged children in Detroit, they're a small and shrinking minority of those children.

    If we want to help Detroit's children, aid must be given to all of them in a nondiscriminatory manner, based on their needs, and not based on politics.

    For example, we should not give $400M to DPS, but rather consider the alternatives:

    1. allocate the money equally to each DPS student as a one time $5,479 transition fee to be split equally between the family and his/her new school and close all of DPS permanently ASAP.

    2. Give all of the approximately 200,000  students who live in Detroit $2,000 each to improve their test scores as backpack funding, following them wherever they goDPS now has 73,000 students.

    http://www.freep.com/article/20101123/NEWS01/11230353/Detroit-Public-Schools-to-lose-19-million

    In 2002 DPS had 159,000 students.

    http://www.data360.org/pub_dp_report.aspx?Data_Plot_Id=538

    In the last 20 years, DPS had over 200,000 students.

    These children have not disappeared, they and  their families have opted out of DPS.

    The majority of Detroit's children now attend either suburban schools of choice or public charter schools.

    It's time to stop pretending that DPS's student population is equivalent to the school aged children in Detroit, they're a small and shrinking minority of those children.

    If we want to help Detroit's children, aid must be given to all of them in a nondiscriminatory manner, based on their needs, and not based on politics.

    For example, we should not give $400M to DPS, but rather consider the alternatives:

    1. allocate the money equally to each DPS student as a one time $5,479 transition fee to be split equally between the family and his/her new school and close all of DPS permanently ASAP.

    2. Give all of the approximately 200,000  students who live in Detroit $2,000 each to improve their test scores as backpack funding, following them wherever they go

    3. setup a $400M fund to provide a partial college scholarship to all students residing in Detroit who graduate with a "B" or better, making college more affordable to them.  (Similar to the Kalamazoo Promise Scholarship)

    Also, for more information on evidence of statistically significant race differences in child custody recommendations, which negatively effect children in Detroit who are African Americans and who don't get the full protection of an impartial decision maker (and other problems), please visit scribd dot com slash DougDante.


    The Other Side of the Coin (none / 0) (#20)
    by archiespeck on Thu Dec 09, 2010 at 11:38:48 AM EST
    This is a great post and an equally great conversation on one of the biggest crises in our state. I'd like to play a little devil's advocate though, and present the other side of the coin.

    If the state were to implement KG One's solution, you would have tens of thousands of Detroit schoolkids flooding the inner-ring suburb's schools. I can tell you that this is something that the suburban parents would be none too pleased with.

    Traditionally when a school district opens it's doors as an open district, the school gets overwhelmed with former Detroit schoolkids. These kids aren't used to being in a stable learning environment, and it leads to disciplinary and other problems. Also, the academic standards would plummet as these students aren't accustomed to a more rigorous curriculum. This happened when Redford opened up it's district to outsiders about 10 years ago, and there has been a mass exodus of residents ever since.

    In a nutshell, I think vouchers may act to shift the problem rather than solve it, and lead to a lot of frustrated suburban students.


    • Nope by Ed Burley, 12/09/2010 12:11:24 PM EST (none / 0)
      • Riiiiiight.... by Corinthian Scales, 12/09/2010 12:33:37 PM EST (none / 0)
    RE: Nope (none / 0) (#23)
    by archiespeck on Thu Dec 09, 2010 at 12:35:49 PM EST
    Please don't misconstrue my post as an endorsement of teacher's unions or tenure as I am vigorously opposed to both. I plan on sending my son to a private school partly because I don't want him to be exposed to lousy teachers that are embedded in the system.

    My point is only that it's going to take more than just great teachers to overcome the culture of ignorance that exists in Detroit.

    • A culture by grannynanny, 12/09/2010 12:49:56 PM EST (none / 0)
    Charter Schools (none / 0) (#25)
    by MichWolverine on Thu Dec 09, 2010 at 01:02:44 PM EST
    A charter school system needs to set up shop in Detroit.  The charter schools in Atlanta, Denver, Chicago and Harlem are amazingly successful.

    The programs in Chicago and Denver were set up utilizing Hillsdale College as a model.

    Students, who come from backgrounds that give every prediction they cannot and will not succeed, are exceeding all expectations.  The higher they set the standards, the higher the students continue to rise.  The students are far surpassing their public school counterparts.

    Here's the kicker.  Charter schools operate with far less money per pupil than public schools.  They also operate with far less 'administration' than public schools.  There's also no union, as they are all 'at will' employees.  Therefore, they draw teachers who are confident in their own abilities and who do not need to be propped up by a union.

    For anyone who hasn't seen it, I highly recommend the new movie 'Waiting for Superman.'  It's a documentary about this very subject.  Be warned, though, it will make you angry -- really angry; and then it will inspire you to save every forgotten child by providing them with a QUALITY education (which has nothing to do with how much tax money is thrown at it).

    Charter Schools - Follow Up (none / 0) (#40)
    by MichWolverine on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 12:58:15 PM EST
    Actually, I've done a lot of research into this subject.  Additionally, my daughter is currently the 'hatchet-man' for the Denver charter schools, and previously worked in that same capacity in Chicago.  She tracks EVERY student's success, as well as tracking every teacher's performance.  She makes recommendations whether to close or continue certain schools.

    The students in the charter schools, at least in Denver, Chicago, Atlanta and Harlem come from horrible situations (i.e., crack-addict mothers, the foster care system, transient lifestyles, etc.).  These are definitely not middle class, two-parent households.

    By all accounts, these children should fail based upon their environments and lack of parenting.

    However, they are succeeding and exceeding.

    I, too, believe in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, and I truly wish everyone on the planet did, too.  Unfortunately, that is not realistic.  People are producing children that they have no intention of caring for.  The ONLY way to change that cycle is to educate those children, so they can become productive members of society.

    Otherwise, we might as well be prepared to pay even more in taxes because the welfare rolls are steadily increasing.  Additionally, we'll need to start building more prisons because that's where so many of the uneducated end up.

    I believe in Personal Responsibility, but I also believe that EVERY child deserves a quality education.  They didn't get to choose their parent(s) or the situation they were born into.

    We expect these children to go it alone and then, by some miracle, become productive members of society.

    Are we responsible for their situations?  No.  But will our state and country benefit if we are able to educate even some of these children?  Absolutely.

    Contrary to what was written... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Corinthian Scales on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 04:44:02 PM EST
    ...yesterday buy the habitual apoplectic and paranoiac corpulent crusader of the caps lock key from TC, I little issue with Charter schools as long as they do not add expense to my taxes.

    However, to claim that Charter schools serve anything more than a band-aid instead of addressing the cultural lifestyle that needs to be addressed is preposterously naive.  We have wasted trillions of dollars on enabling generations of their ways only to be rewarded with more of the same.

    The same is obvious with our enabling immigration policy.

    The harsh reality for any "compassionate conservative" laying claim that everyone is deserving of quality anything is establishing a right.  That is false.  Collectively we have a right to pursue that, but are not entitled to that as we are also not entitled to housing, jobs, food, transportation, etc.

    J, KG and Scales (none / 0) (#44)
    by grannynanny on Sat Dec 11, 2010 at 09:31:40 PM EST
    Agree with the most recent comments of all three.  Educating the children of the worst dregs in society would indeed help them out of the culture but what do you do with the adults, that are supposedly supposed to be helping them and find that they are ripping them off via sticky fingers in the till and when you get rid of them there are 1000 more waiting in line to keep ripping them off?  There is no end to it.  You are never going to get rid of that culture of corruption because it has existed for so long that no one really bats an eye at it.  Any why should the decent parents, care takers and taxpayers have to double down on every effort to educate these kids when the theivery, deception and culture of entitlement happens every day, at every turn and a majority of residents defend it?  When does one say - enough?  You cannot force
    people to accept help if they don't want it.  It is like the alcholic or drug addict - let them hit rock bottom and perhaps they will see the only way is up.  Are children going suffer - yes.  It is dispicable that adults would allow this but until the supposed "responsible" adults start really caring about the kids instead of lining their own pockets it is the price DPS and the children they are supposed to serve is going to have to pay.

    DPS Is Corrupt (none / 0) (#46)
    by MichWolverine on Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 04:58:20 PM EST
    The people running Detroit, as well as the Detroit Public Schools, can easily be described as ignorant, corrupt, Socialists, Marxists and criminals.  The same could be said thirty years ago and thirty years from now -- unless something changes.
    That is why we must take the 'education' of Detroit's children out of the hands of those adults.  
    When I say that a charter school system needs to be implemented, I'm not talking about having any of those people involved.  In fact, they would be barred from participation.
    Only an outside organization could be successful.  That is why charter schools are succeeding in other large urban cities.  The locals, the politicians and the unions are all shut out.
    For 7 1/2 hours every day, those children are in a safe, clean environment; and are not subjected to any outside, destructive influences.  They are not propped up with false self-esteem currently being promoted by public schools, but instead become proud of their own earned accomplishments.
    For anyone who says the problem is too big, I say to them that we need to start somewhere -- because the alternative will be: 1)Best case scenario, more of the same; or 2) Worst case scenario, a lot more of same (to the point where the ignorant, criminal, dependent sector of society overtakes the rest of us).
    What's that motto again?  Oh, yes.  "Keeping them Dumb and Dependent, keeps them Democrats."  It's what the liberal progressives count on.  They want to re-make (destroy) this country, and they are using the inner-cities to do it.
    A child taught to use their brain and skills (instead of a gun or a welfare card), is one step closer to becoming a productive member of society.  The only way they will grow up to reject everything they see and hear around them will be to equip them with the mental tools to do so.

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