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    MI GOP - What the Heck Happened?

    By DMOnline, Section News
    Posted on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 03:08:00 PM EST
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    The world's gone crazy.  That's the only explanation I can come up with because nothing else makes any sense.

    As has been illustrated at this blog time and time again, Governor Granholm and her thugs in the state House of Representatives have done nothing over the past 6 years to improve Michigan's economic climate.  In fact, the Dems have done the opposite by instituting even more oppressive and confiscatory tax policy making matters even worse here.

    Yet, sources very much involved in electing more Republicans to the state House tell me our Party is likely to LOSE 7-10 seats this Tuesday.  How is this possible??

    Yes, I know.  I've heard and read all the commentary telling us how 2008 is going to be a bloodbath for the GOP both nationally and in state and local elections.

    But just how stupid are Michigan voters?

    The Democratic Party that has been in charge in Michigan for the past 6 years and stole more money from your wallet is on the verge of winning more seats??

    And what has the state and county GOP organization done to educate the public and sway their opinion?  I've seen virtually no coordinated,effective GOP effort whatsoever this election season.  It's as though state and county Party officials have thrown up their hands and given up.  And they gave up before even really trying.

    A golden opportunity to capitalize on the Dem's fleecing of the Michigan taxpayers has been squandered.  

    Yes, it's time for change alright.  Change in the leadership structure of the Michigan GOP.


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    What was I saying? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ed Burley on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 03:42:57 PM EST
    So now you are saying that Saul needs to be replaced? I remember saying that during the primary, and took a bunch of flack for it.

    The problem is that people are fed up. Big spenders are big spenders. Tax hikers are tax hikers. As has been pointed out numerous times on this site, we have a wall of shame for Dems, but none for Republicans; yet, they are just as culpable.

    When people look at economics and see that they lose with either party, they start looking at where they can win - at least in their estimation. The GOP has their set of "Welfare Queens," (e.g., Chrysler and AIG), and the common folks are sick of it. They want some of that $700B for themselves (wrongly of course but it's true).

    True free market advocates would have a leg to stand on in this election - but you cannot, like John McCain, vote for big business giveaways, and then criticize "the other guy" for his socialism. Corporatism ain't much better - and in most folks eyes, it's even worse.

    WE know that giving tax breaks to large corporations is a good thing. Joe Six-Pack doesn't. He looks at it from a corporate welfare standpoint. He wants to know why he has to pay so much for health care, why he can't get insurance. He wants to know why he has to struggle to make ends meet, as wages drop and prices rise, while bankers and corporate execs go on vacations on the government dollar.

    The GOP needs to do two things: 1) educate the masses in basic economics (anyone remember Ross Perot?), and 2) get back to free market, constitutionally limited government. Joe Six-Pack needs to know that cutting the corporate rate will bring jobs back to America, rather than leaving them in Ireland or Australia. He needs to know that low interest rates/easy credit cause inflation, and artificially drive up housing prices. He must be educated in the fact that government mandates drive up the cost of health care, and make it prohibitely expensive.

    Most of the GOP office holders don't know squat about economics. Watch McCain try to explain one of his economic policies. He doesn't know. He has a position because an "economic advisor" gave him one, but he is not able to articulate it, or debate it. I would have wiped the floor with Obama - with half my brain tied behind my back. McCain? Not so much.

    It's sad, but America is on the verge of becoming a Third World country - one that can be easily taken over by Radical Islamists, or, perhaps worse yet, Radical Environmentalists, hell-bent on making us a truly socialist country.

    Michigan first. Then the rest of the country. Nighty-night.

    Because... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by grpundit on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 03:49:44 PM EST
    The GOP didn't do squat to reduce spending or government largesse when they were in power at either the federal or state levels. At least Granholm has done some cutting of budgets. Clinton had a balanced budget. When it comes to spending, the GOP has proven that it will not walk the walk. Time to get new blood. A few years of democrat rule will surely change some GOP minds.

    All well and good... but... (none / 0) (#4)
    by Nick on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 03:58:52 PM EST
    you'll forgive me if I'm not ready to go gloom-and-doom just yet.  We've got five days left to make 7 losses 6.  Or 6 losses 5.  Or 5 losses 4.

    Or whatever.

    There'll be plenty of time for Monday morning quarterbacking, and I'm sure I'll do a TON of it myself, but it's still just the Thursday before the game.  

    Not Doom & Gloom - Realistic & Pissed (none / 0) (#5)
    by DMOnline on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 04:23:34 PM EST
    Nick:  I'm not trying to spread doom and gloom the Thursday before a Tuesday bloodbath.  

    But again, according to well-placed, knowledgeable, and elected sources, several state GOP House seats will be lost to the Dems on Tuesday.  I don't think the act of reporting that equals spreading doom & gloom.

    And yes, when one's Party takes that kind of hit after passing up a golden opportunity to make substantial gains, I do vote for replacing the current state GOP power structure.

    Might we lose fewer seats? Perhaps.  But I still think the time has come to shake things up on the state Party level and bring in new blood that knows how to win elections.


    • Exactly by Ed Burley, 10/30/2008 04:28:12 PM EST (none / 0)
    Sad Fact (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Brady on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 04:45:09 PM EST
    The sad fact is that Republican legislators and congresspeople are just as willing to spend taxpayer dollars as their Democratic equivilents; they're just less willing to pay for that spending.  And while the Democratic spending tends to stay at home, Republican spending is more likely to go overseas.  The Republican Party is in need of a major overhaul but its libertarian members lack the political strength to overcome the traditional partisans and make it happen.  Even as a Democrat, I'm uncomfortable with one party politics but that is what's on the horizon until the Republican Party can move past the failures of Reaganism and reform itself.

    Replace hell. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by LookingforReagan on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 05:57:28 PM EST
    What needs to be done is this. An entirely new party has to be organized. This will be made up of Conservatives. No bluebloods, country club or RINO types need apply. The National party has been just as gutless and whimpish. It is as if they don't have the guts to fight for anything any longer. The Democrats have given them the two biggest issues that they should have run on. The way the Democrats in less then two years have screwed up the National economy and driven up the price of engergy which helped to bring on the lending crisis along with the corruption and unmittedgated greed of the Democrats and their cronies that ran Freddy and Fannie. But what have the state and national party done to tie the Democrat Marxist party to all this? Nothing to speak of. Not only do we need a heads down fighter but somebody that wants to fight anyplace the fight happens to be. Anytime and anyplace. Who cares if the Democrats whine and suck their thumbs and cry foul. Keep kicking them right in the head until they are unable to get up ever again. I am convinced after the last two years that the Democrat Marxist party needs not to be just defeated but it needs to be destroyed. Several good reasons will be available soon in a book from J.R.Dunn called "Democide:. It should be required reading for all Conservatives.
    Again I say does the thought of Jennifer Granholm and fellow baby killer Hitlery Clinton on the US Supreme Court fighten you? It scares the literal hell out of me. Can you imagine John Cherry as our Governor? It could happen if Obama wins. If people think things are bad now in Michigan wait until this time next year.
    A new party is the answer. Just like it was in 1854.

    DCuz (none / 0) (#12)
    by Southwest Washtenaw on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 07:15:09 PM EST
    "As has been illustrated at this blog time and time again, Governor Granholm and her thugs in the state House of Representatives have done nothing over the past 6 years to improve Michigan's economic climate..."

    "The Democratic Party that has been in charge in Michigan for the past 6 years..."

    Just curious... Who are Governor Granholm's "thugs" in the State House of Reps?  Republicans controlled the State House from Jan. 1999-Jan. 2007.  How could Democrats have been "in charge" in Michigan over the past 6 years when the Republicans controlled the State House and State Senate during Granholm's first term (2003-2007) ?


    Pedantic (none / 0) (#14)
    by John Galt on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 07:58:32 PM EST
    Granholm has been in charge for six.  Andy "iPod" Dillon has been in charge for 2 of those six, but the majority in the house and Senate are nothing that hasn't caused Democrats to play their games.

    Democrats at all levels haven't made any changes, let alone the governatrix herself.

    Remember all of the promises?  She's the captain of this ship called Michigan and it hasn't come out of the recession fog.  Her promises were empty.  

    Having a strong, fighting GOP... (none / 0) (#18)
    by John Galt on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 08:38:23 PM EST
    Having a strong, fighting GOP... starts with EACH OF US.

    Boo-hoo, we're going to lose 6-7 state house seats.  It's over and the voters haven't even cast their votes.  Before it gets to the voters, it starts with each and every one of us.  

    Are you a Republican precinct delegate?  If not, sign up.  Call your local county GOP office.

    If you are a Republican precinct delegate, have you walked your neighborhood?  Do you have a voter list?  Have you talked to your County Chair about getting active?  This starts with each and every one of us.  

    It's excellent to get pissed off.  People were pissed off 2 years ago when DeVos lost.  They didn't think "the voters" were that stupid.  They swore they'd get involved.  And they fizzled out.

    Keep that fire and spark.  Keep it going.  Find out who the strong candidates are and work for them, or spread the word about them.

    Galt (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ed Burley on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 09:12:15 PM EST
    "Ed blasts people who criticized him for voting third party or whatever.  He's reluctantly voting McCain because he feels bullied into it.  But he worked pretty hard getting Ron Paul nominated."

    I never voted third party. I joined the Libertarian Party, which last time I checked didn't require me to vote third party "or whatever."

    I sure as hell don't give a rip about being "bullied" into voting McCain. I'm voting for Mac for the same reason I voted for Bush - the alternative sucks. Barr was a poor choice for Libertarian candidate.

    I still maintain that if enough people would stop sticking their heads up the "blue-bloods" Republicans collective rear ends and actually vote for truly free-market fiscal conservatives, who will not only cut taxes but spending as well (I would use the word "slash" here, but I'm afraid Mr. Galt [sic] would begin ranting again about how he doesn't want to hurt poor people or some such nonsense).

    Truth of the matter is that McCain with a Democrat Congress will most likely do nothing of what he says his policies are. There's only one thing better than implementing good free market conservative policies; and that's to do nothing. So, even if McCain's presidency was an accomplish-nothing administration, we'd be better off than under Obama's "change" administration.

    Of course, if Mr. Galt would like to show how much he has "bullied" me into voting for McCain, I'd be more than happy to meet him face-to-face. I can't seem to find him in the phone book though.

    Gee... (none / 0) (#20)
    by DMOnline on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 09:26:52 PM EST
    Gee, looks like I touched a nerve!

    Glad to see it.

    I like the sound of "The Conservative Party".

    Or maybe, "American Tories".

    Or how about "The Reagan Party"?

    Just a thought.


    Calm down Ed. (none / 0) (#22)
    by John Galt on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 10:15:33 PM EST
    I was trying to give you a compliment.  I didn't bully you into voting McCain (I voted Thompson).  My point is that you were working on moving things forward despite being pulled to a third party.  

    I don't know what you're egging on here or why you feel personally hurt, but you need to calm down and focus.  I'm certainly not your enemy (and never have been).  You keep attributing things to me I've never said, done, or advocated.  

    With that being said, I'd be glad to give you my address or arrange a coffee meet where you can "enlighten me" with your threatened fists.

    What the Heck Happened? (none / 0) (#24)
    by AChildsRight on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:22:59 AM EST
    I am actually coming to grips with the fact that I agree with the author of this post.  I have been less than thrilled with the leadership of the MI GOP based on their lack of action in helping the Tim Walberg campaign.  Granted this is not the state house, but this is a perfect example.

    I have written a total of 4 letters to the leadership at the MI GOP requesting a response in what they can do to help with the Walberg campaign.  Number of responses received = ZERO.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHZWxOYqRw http://www.daddy.typepad.com

    John (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ed Burley on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 08:13:19 AM EST
    I apologize for misreading your comment, and your intention.

    Coffee sounds good - beer sounds better. No fists, I promise.

    btw, Obama's lead seems to be disappearing on a daily basis. The problem is that McCain needs to win big, landslide-like, or they will be screaming "voter fraud," even though it was ACORN who attempted that stuff.

    Precinct Delegates are Community Organizers (none / 0) (#31)
    by Clydes Dale on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 10:32:14 AM EST
    So what should  GOP precinct Delegates do?

    First, ask other GOP folk in you hood' to come to County GOP functions (picnics, plank meetings, dinners, committee meetings).  Find out why they are GOP? See how they can help out and ask for their help.

    Second, all PD's are 100% active during the last 72 hours of any race.  Going door to door, making calls, calling volunteers, delivering yardsigns.  This is criticls in GOTV activities and this is how most races are truely won.

    Third, on election day, PD's work the polls all day 7am - 8pm.  Each polling location should be covered in your precinct.  PD's become the face of the GOP - meet and greet voters and pass out GOP voter guides.  Smile, shake a hand, Thank each voter for voting.  They will remember you.

    I have worked the polls in Michigan for 10 years now and just smiling and giving out a voter guide does have a great effect on some of those "undecideds" - believe it - some folks walk up to the polls not sure of who to pick until the ballot is thrust upon them.  Many really don't know who to support in down ticket, proposals and non-partison sections.

    And if you have some "public prominance" consider a run for a seat.  Just challenging some Dem speaks volumes.   Your county should not have one unchallenged seat - regardless of how Dem the % is.

    BALL DROPPED (none / 0) (#33)
    by Clydes Dale on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 10:52:01 AM EST

    How true!

    Every campaign could have run against Granholm this year - (ala the dems crushing Bush in 2006).  But no.  MIGOP was Silence. (insert crickets chirping here).

    Ammo all around us . . .

    Dillion was recalled - MI Citizens were outraged - WSJ even gushed against Granholm.   Pocket book issues abound.  Just think of pictures of little Bobby and Susie with Mom and "all their belongings" pictured in front of their foreclosed house.  Think of Beer can Jack, holding his hardhat, standing outside his closed factory, a "Moved to Indiana" sign on the 6 foot chain link fence.  Photos of lines infront of the unemployment office, Uhaul trucks (with Michigan plates) passing the "Welcome to Illinois" sign.  
    And Granholm Blowing us away.

    After the Dems forced the 1.5 Billion tax increase.  Granholm walks freely amoungst us with an economy in complete collapse.

    Saul blew it.  

    Could circumstances somehow be better for MIGOP?
    Would we need more ammo? Would we need Granholm's lesbian lover to come out of the closet?  Does she have to go to Jail?   What more does MIGOP need?

    Who Said Anything About Quiting? (none / 0) (#38)
    by DMOnline on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 02:07:10 PM EST
    Nick:  I may have missed it in one of the previous posts but I'm not sure I saw anyone suggesting we throw up our hands and "quit."  I doubt there's a single person on this string of comments that won't be voting in this election.  In fact, I'm certain every one of us will do so.

    And most of us will also be doing what we can to get like-minded folks to the polls as well.

    Letting the folks blow off a little well-earned steam will not be the reason we lose - if we do lose.  Most of us are extremely frustrated by what we see as incompetence or intimidation in our Party leadership.  Any self-respecting Republican who's been politically plugged-in over the past 10 months is at his wit's end at this point.

    The folks who comment here clearly care a great deal about their country, state, and local community.  They wouldn't be commenting here if they didn't.

    So please do not assume because we're pissed off that that means we're throwing in the towel.

    To the contrary.  We're the folks who will successfully re-build the conservative Republican brand.


    You can be a part of MIGOP (none / 0) (#40)
    by John Galt on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 01:16:50 PM EST
    This is a response to an earlier DMOnline post..

    But organizations such as the MI GOP are there for a specific reason: To recruit viable candidates, to develop a strong, persuasive argument, to excite and encourage their base to contribute and volunteer, and to conceive and execute an aggressive campaign to sell our message/ideas to the voters and get them to the polls.

    Did you know that Saul and the executive committee is voted on?  By Precinct Delegates who go to County and State Conventions?

    There are organizations on all levels - local GOP clubs, county GOP Parties, congressional district parties, and the state party?  Each of these groups have a say and can help out?

    Criticizing an organization is certainly your right - but you too can work to recruit viable candidates.  You, too, can work to help get them elected.  And you can participate in the governance of the party.

    There was fear earlier this year that Ron Paul supporters were going to "take over" the local organizations.  They were outnumbered, but there was an organized effort.  I think you can be smarter about it - and effect real change.  That's what many of us are trying to do.

    But it all begins with us.  We can blame some faceless "giant organization", or we can become one of the many thousands of individuals that make up that organization.

    And on a personal note, Tim Wahlberg is a national candidate, and should be getting help from the RNCC and national party.  He's also a big boy, experience politician and fundraiser - and he's not in a targetted district.  As best I can tell he's not in fear of losing, but I'm not paying attention to him.  Knollenberg is targetted, and a lot of effort is being spent on him.

    Well said John (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ed Burley on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 02:09:23 PM EST
    Many of us should get involved with the county GOP, and MIGOP as well. Interestingly enough, many of those who supported Ron Paul are still active - just not in the GOP. Some Paul supporters have given up.

    I haven't. And I am supporting McCain. Don't worry, I'll take enough crap from the Paul camp for that - but I'm doing it anyway. Better 77% McCain) than 10% (Obama).

    I would say though that Saul frequents this site. So, our participation in this site is a participation in the state party. If our comments here did not amount to political participation, then we would have to conclude that think tanks like Heritage Institute and American Enterprise Institute are not political either. Cato and Reason would be ruled out for those of us of a more libertarian bent.

    So, let's not minimize our influence here, and on other blogs. That blogroll of Nick's is impressive. I think the state GOP is listening/reading.

    With that said, I do agree that we should be active where we can - delegate, chair, treasurer, whatever. Maybe we can turn this back around - if not in this election, 4 years from now.

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