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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Time for House Dems to Get Off the Pot!


    By Republican Yankee, Section News
    Posted on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 03:37:08 PM EST
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    Andy Dillon says: Do as I say not as I do as budget clock keeps winding down.

    "We are facing a budget shortfall this current fiscal year in excess of $500 million and next year's is in excess of $3 billion. Bottom line: We have a lot of work to do...

    "We did this in anticipation of the looming budget crisis and the need for us to roll up our sleeves and get to work immediately."

    An interesting quote.  Anyone know where it comes from?  Anyone know who said it?  Anyone know when?

    Well, maybe I can help.  This is a quote from the January 10, 2007 Michigan House of Representatives Journaly by Andy Dillon.

    If Dillon and the House Dems have rolled up their sleeves, you've got to wonder what they were planning to stick their hands into.  At this point seems they are more ready to dive into things that come out of committees and more likely to dive into things that come out of a bull.

    And yet Dems still have the tenacity to accuse Bishop and the Republican Senate for holding up the process.  Is it not true that the Senate has now passed two sets of budget bills over to the house?  So what's the deal?

    Opposing a massive tax increase (which the majority of Michiganders also oppose by the way) is nothing short of good representative government.  It's not obstructionism.  So it's up to the House Dems now.  They've been crowing and crying that the budget needs a tax hike to get balanced.  Well here's your chance.  The clock is ticking and it's time to "roll up your sleeves", put the people's money where your mouth is, and get this over with.

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    Just thought I'd point out... (none / 0) (#1)
    by djtyg on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 08:38:40 AM EST
    Bishop's budget has a $2.2 million cut for military and veteran affairs.

    Good to see the Repugs supporting the troops.

    A couple points: (none / 0) (#2)
    by Nick on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 08:56:47 AM EST
    A: That has nothing to do with the blog on which you were commenting.  That is, by definition, trolling.  Just so we're clear.

    B: Please post a link to your public condemnation of Governor Granholm, Rep. Mike Sak and the House Democrats for their attempt, recorded by official vote, to ELIMINATE, CLOSE, END, SHUTTER, BOARD UP (etc.) the Grand Rapids Veterans' Home, the D.J. Jacobetti Veterans' Home and to cut hundreds of thousands more from the Department of Military and Veterans' Affairs back in February.

    You can find an actual copy of the EO they voted to approve HERE.

    Should you fail to produce such a link, illustrating your focus on ISSUES and not on partisan bickering I think we'll probably be forced to conclude that you're more anti-Republican than pro-Veteran.

    Now, in between now and then, if you'd like to discuss how horrible Republicans are I'd humbly suggest you do so on your own blog.  If you'd prefer to participate here I'd just ask that you stick with the topics at hand.

    Thank you for your time.

    Well I would've posted it on the earlier topic... (none / 0) (#3)
    by djtyg on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 10:08:44 AM EST
    In which I had mentioned the lack of support for the troops by the Republicans, but I wanted to throw this out there since the thread in which we were discussing vet issues moved too far down for anyone to notice.  So my apologies on being off topic.

    Anyway, if you didn't see my post on freep, do we have time to stop this?  Is it closed already?

    Also.... (none / 0) (#4)
    by djtyg on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 10:10:18 AM EST
    Are you going to join me in condemning Bishop's cuts to military and veteran affairs?

    If there's still time to stop the closing of this VA hospital, I'm definetely on board.

    That EO was scuttled by none other than... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Nick on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 10:35:57 AM EST
    The Senate Republicans.

    The Democrats approved those cuts.  The Republicans said "no thanks, lets find something else."

    The Governor proposed the VA Home kills herself, though, so I wouldn't be shocked if she (or the House Dems) tried again.

    Look, I appreciate that you're willing to fight for these homes now.  There are plenty of Libs who come on this site and refuse to disagree with anything in any way associated with the letter D.  So credit where credit is due.

    BUT...

    Where was the fight for those homes back in February?  

    I'm about as pro-spending cuts / reforms as they come but even I pointed out months ago in the post referenced above that what with money being fungible and all, every cut to something like that represents a value judgement.

    By cutting funding for our vets and maintaining funding for MESSA we're saying we value MESSA more than our vets (as a for instance).

    There are plenty of things we should be doing before we reduce funding for the men and women who stuck their necks out on the line for us.

    I said that then and I'll say that now.  I'm on record and I'm not ashamed.  I come from a military family.  And all hyperbole aside, my flag was flying outside the house on September 10, 2001.

    There are options out there that haven't yet been addressed.  A portion of the lottery, for instance, could be sold or leased.  

    We'll see what the Senate cut list looks like when they start taking formal votes.  We'll see what's there and what isn't.  I'm sure I won't like every cut on the list.  100% sure.  

    I'm sure, 100%, that there will be cuts I think they should make that WON'T be on the list.  Will there be cut X I think they should substitute for cut Y.  Absolutely.

    But I applaud the Senate for having the guts to take an all-cuts / reforms approach and to start that discussion.

    I said it in February and I'm saying it in September.  

    I just don't think consistency is really that much to ask for.  

    And with a total and complete lack of consistency you've got nothing more than partisan stone throwing and spin doctoring.  And that's unfortunate.

    Knock it off, Nick. (none / 0) (#6)
    by djtyg on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 10:52:25 AM EST
    I've known about this for about 1/2 hour now.

    And you've already read about my open condemnation of Democrats for not doing enough.

    Where's the links to what you're saying?  I want to make sure I'm not being sold a bill of goods by someone from the other side.  All your link shows is a pic.  I'm looking for the actual budget proposal right now.  If I find it, you'll see a post.

    But are you going to be condemning Bishop for his proposed cuts?

    How about you do one better? (none / 0) (#7)
    by djtyg on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 10:54:19 AM EST
    Instead of saying "let's cut something else" how about you saying you're willing to take a tax increase IF it will go to supporting our veterans?

    Still looking for the links, feel free to drop some yourself.

    I posted the link (none / 0) (#8)
    by Nick on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 11:02:08 AM EST
    with my condemnation back in February.

    You've been an observer of Lansing politics for far more than a half hour.  An observer of the budget process for far more than half an hour.

    Are you saying you just turn a blind eye when Democrats try to gut vet funding?  Of only that you refuse to look deeper than MDP talking points when you're researching an issue.  

    Just not quite sure how you could only now find out about something that happened in February.

    Though I should make one clarification.  I know you served overseas.  If you were deployed back in February then I freely and readily admit that my criticism is not fair and I'll retract it.  

    Our active-duty troops certainly have more to worry about than Lansing's budget mess.

    Oh, and I thought I stated pretty clearly that I do not think we should be cutting vet funding.  I'd prefer we deal with other areas like the lottery, as an example.

    There are plenty of cuts and reforms to both protect our veterans homes AND balance the budget without raising taxes.

    Found the link to the budget. (none / 0) (#9)
    by djtyg on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 11:07:02 AM EST
    The budget had a 7% increase for military and veterans affairs, while Bishop is proposing a cut.

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FY07ExecutiveBudget_151966_7.pdf

    But I'll post on the VA hospitals anyway.

    And no, I didn't know about this back in February.

    But now you're telling me you wouldn't take a tax increase if it meant supporting the troops.  That's class, Nick.

    And I'm still waiting on your posts condemning Bush for opposing the GI Bill increase, his own cuts to the VA, and his saying a 3.5% increase in troop pay is too much.

    • whoa by goppartyreptile, 09/13/2007 02:35:20 PM EST (none / 0)
    Sorry, Chief... retroactive posts need not apply (none / 0) (#10)
    by Nick on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 11:13:20 AM EST
    You turned a blind eye in February and now you got caught participating in partisan hackery.

    No weaseling out of it.  But please, go ahead and condemn the Democrat move to close Vets homes seven months and a week after the fact while we're on to an entirely different fiscal year's budget.

    By the by, putting words in people's mouths, bad form.  Bad bad form.

    I said I won't support a tax hike because I reject the premise that one is necessary to maintain funding for veterans.  Period.  

    Oh please.... (none / 0) (#11)
    by djtyg on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 11:17:54 AM EST
    Now you're just being childish.  But fine, let's play your game.

    Using your logic, you've known the whole time that Bush has cut funding for veterans, opposes a 3.5% pay increase, and doesn't want to expand the GI Bill.  It also means that you pledged your full support to Bishop's cuts to military and veterans affairs.

    I know you support it because you never condemned it.

    Sure.... (none / 0) (#14)
    by djtyg on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 01:36:00 PM EST
    Link to Bush saying the GI Bill shouldn't be increased:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/08/administration-.html

    Bush's cuts to the VA have been well documented, but here's one story:

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021207T.shtml

    Oh yeah... (none / 0) (#15)
    by djtyg on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 01:40:04 PM EST
    Bishop's plan was actually a $6 million cut.  I didn't see his elimination of a grant that would've put the total funding cuts at over $6 million.

    Good to see the conservatives on here are more interested in partisan politics than they are supporting the troops.

    If Bush or Bishop raised taxes you'd be all over it.  But for neglecting our troops?  You'll sit that one out.

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