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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    If You STILL Support Governor Granholm, You're Just Plain Stupid!


    By Republican Yankee, Section News
    Posted on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 07:11:40 PM EST
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    There's no other way to say it.  Granholm is wrong on so many different issues that it's clear she has no idea what else to do.  Allow me to break down her most recent agenda.

    So here I was tonight just trying to catch up on the news anxiously awaiting my wife to call me up for supper.  She makes the best chili in the world, and those who have had it know I'm not just saying that!

    But I became so enraged by our governor that I'm going to have to wait to partake in the goodness.  I went to wjr.com in their audio archives section and I made the mistake of listening to about 30 minutes worth of radio interviews that Governor Granholm gave with Frank Beckmann and Paul W. Smith last Wednesday.

    How anybody with an IQ over 5 can continue to support this woman is just absolutely mind boggling to me.  And let me break it down issue by issue and tell you why.

    1.) The governor made a big deal out of what she has been doing to help stimulate the economy and even had the audacity to suggest that her plan was working.  MEGA grants and No Worker Left Behind, we're on a role right?  ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

    As it happens, the same day she gave this interview her own Department of Labor and Economic Growth informed us that we had lost 20,000 more jobs in Michigan this past July.  Then, last Friday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics data made me feel even worse about where our state is heading.

    Not only does Michigan still have the highest (by far now) unemployment rate in the country, but also Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania actually had a net INCREASE of around 1,600 manufacturing jobs in July.  At the same time, Michigan lost 11,000 manufacturing jobs!!!

    But I suppose this is okay if you're Governor Granholm.  I mean, after all a MEGA grant for a pharmaceutical company is allowing a company to create 600 jobs in Detroit!  Sure this is good news, but why are we bragging about that when we just got done losing 20,000!!!  Think of it this way:

    The Michigan economy is a bathtub.

    The water in it represents Michigan jobs.

    Suddenly somebody pulls the drain plug and down goes the water.

    Granholm is filling Dixie cup, after Dixie cup and throwing it in the tub.

    Now of course, the tub is draining FAR MORE quickly than Granholm is filling it.  But she sure is working up a sweat running back and forth to the sink, and so she brags about how had she is working?

    Now of course, Granholm could just reach in and plug the drain back up (by privatizing some services, making Michigan a right-to-work state, etc.).  But the water's too dirty and she doesn't want to get it all over her arm.  That's basically what's going on here!  I don't want to hear you brag about 600 new jobs if you couldn't prevent 20,000 others from leaving!!!

    2.) Then there is the much touted European Vacation.  Do I think it's really a vacation?  No.  But when the legislators aren't working in Lansing Granholm says they're on "vacation" so I think it's only fair that the same standard apply.

    First, let's call this what it is, an MEDC funded publicity stunt carefully designed to all the governor to take credit for business expansions and jobs that were going to happen in Michigan anyways.  Everyone knows it; nobody calls her out on it, and I'm TIRED OF IT!!!  If the governor wants to pat herself on the back in front of a bunch of TV cameras, that's fine.  She's been doing that for 5 1/2 years.  But don't insult my intelligence while you do it.  Wait, she's been doing that for 5 1/2 years too.

    But what really burns me about this trip is that Granholm seems to once again be "totally booked" and won't be meeting with Volkswagen and Audi after it was reported that they might take their 2,000 jobs and pack it up for the east coast (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070814/AUTO02/708140349/1322/OPINION0301).  I guess this is just another case of Granholm missing in action when it matters most for Michigan.

    Speaking of missing in action, that takes us to:

    3.) Health care.  Granholm got all fired up about MI Child that covers 55,000 kids and the Congress passing SCHIP.  Isn't that great?  Sure, who doesn't want kids to have health care?  But wait a minute...isn't this the same governor in the 2006 State of the State Address that promised a MI First Health Care Plan for every uninsured Michigan citizen?  Isn't this the same governor that promised EVERYONE the same plan during her re-election campaign?  Isn't this the same governor who promised again in her 2007 State of the State Address that we would have such a plan by April of 2007?

    Now, maybe I just haven't wound my watch in a long time, but last time I looked it was going on September and we haven't heard anything about this.  NO ONE DAMN WORD!!!  It's all part of Granholm's strategy.  If it will get people thinking you're "cool" then say it.  Now, actually doing it?  Well that's just over-rated isn't it?  How can you be so STUPID to support this woman and not realize you're being duped?

    4.) Speaking of actually doing something, how about that state budget?  Yep, we're still waiting, but not because of Governor Granholm.  Oh no, she told Frank Beckmann and Paul W. Smith that this is all the legislature's fault for not coming to an agreement.  She said they're elected to do this, so they have to and she's tired of waiting.

    This begs the question: if the legislature is elected to make tough choices then WHAT IN THE WORLD WERE YOU ELECTED TO DO!?  If she's leading by example then the answer is to bore citizens with the same tired, recycled rhetoric while blaming everything that sucks on somebody that isn't you.

    The governor has (or at least should have) enough bargaining power to sit down with the legislature and make this happen.  She hasn't done it.  Instead she watches tuition spike, threatens to shutdown the whole works and then hops on a plane for Europe.  Now, I don't know what people elected her to do, but I'm damned sure this isn't it.

    Remember now, this is the same governor who talked tough, gave the image of a leader and said she would call the legislature into a "special session" if she wasn't happy with their progress.  So what happened?  Oh, that's right, that was all a media stunt (like 90% of everything else this administration has done).  No more talk about that, just whining and "poor little old me" antics.  If you're upset governor, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!  I think that might be what people elected you to do.

    She is criticizing the legislature for meeting with their constituents on the eve of what might be the largest tax hike in two decades.  After all why would elected "representatives" ever want to meet with constituents for so long?  Maybe so they could "represent" them?  And I guarantee the legislators are meeting with REAL constituents at their town hall meetings.  Not just a handful of pre-selected supporters that make them look "cool" and "smart".  It's all media for Granholm.  Don't leave Lansing to meet with you constituents, get the job done!  But if I go to Europe for a week you guys won't mind will you?  IDIOT!

    It really is sad and that's probably why it angers me so much.  Granholm is treating the whole thing like it's some kind of reality TV show full of drama and stunts that will get her ratings up.  But we're talking about real people with real lives that are being destroyed!  Granholm doesn't know how to fix it, but she's sure good at pretending she does.

    I don't think Granholm is responsible for creating all of our problems, but she sure is responsible for fixing them.  That's what leaders do.  In this line of work you're either part of the problem or you're part of the solution and I don't think there is any question that this governor has been and is part of the problem.  Name me one thing that is better in Michigan now than it was 5 1/2 years ago and I might back off a bit.  

    But for now, HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THIS ACTRESS THAT PRETENDS TO BE A LEADER!?  ARE YOU INSANE?  OR JUST THAT STUPID?

    I'm going to go eat some chili.  Think about it and get back to me.

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    Granholm (none / 0) (#1)
    by A2 Conservative on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 07:33:55 PM EST
    You're a bigger man than I am, Yank. I could only stomach 2 1/2 minutes of the Beckmann interview. The thing that gets me is that 9 months ago, we had a chance to begin to erase four abysmal years and chart a new path for this state. It was obvious to anyone who was paying attention that Jennifer Granholm had failed and was incompetent. The people who voted for her couldn't have expected her to just be able to change overnight. She's done NOTHING for this state, and she'll continue to do NOTHING. Ugh, just hearing her name makes me want to vomit.

    All very well put. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Nick on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 08:36:17 PM EST
    Hope the radio shows didn't spoil your chilli.

    I agree with you... (none / 0) (#3)
    by Needmorelikeike on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:40:26 PM EST
    except for the Right-to-Work part.  Right to Work laws don't seem to solve anything...North Carolina is experiencing worse job loss than Michigan, and they are a Right-to-Work state (Gongwer 8/17):

    N.C. BEATS OUT MICHIGAN FOR MOST JOBS LOST IN MONTH
    North Carolina lost 20,700 jobs between June and July, enough to rank it first place, according to data released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics on Friday, which meant Michigan, which lost 19,800 jobs during the same time, claimed second place.

    The federal agency reported the states with the biggest month-to-month increases in jobs were Texas (plus 29,400), Maryland (plus 16,900), New York (plus 11,800) and South Carolina (plus 10,600).  

    And if you look, neither New York nor Maryland are Right-to-Work and they are attracting more jobs than most of the states with RTW on the books.

    Unfortunately, Michigan is on the verge of becoming Mississippi with snow, and, frankly, Mississippi is a Right-to-Work state.


    Poor RY (none / 0) (#4)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 12:06:06 AM EST
    You sound like you're going to burst a vein in your head. The problem for conservatives is that they don't have any answers that will help Michigan's economy.

    We tried your tax cuts. That didn't help. You promised tax cuts would increase revenues. It didn't. Tax revenues following the cuts have fallen.

    Now the big push is to oppose tax increases. The conservatives claim that tax increases will result in even more lost jobs. Instead, conservatives want to slash spending and lay off government employees. Net resuts, even more people on the unemployment rolls.

    Some want to push right-to-work. The only way that right-to-work benefits Michigan companies is if leads to Michigan workers taking home less money. Workers making less money means people spending less and less tax revenues for the state.

    Some want the state to privatize more services. Again, the only way that helps the state budget is if it results in Michigan workers taking home less money. Otherwise, we won't see a reduction in expenditures. So more people are left making less.

    So the conservative solution to the state's woes is to push more people onto the unemployment rolls and leave those left behind in the public and private sectors making less money (privatization and right-to-work). And you wonder why people don't want to jump on that bandwagon?

    Poor NoviDhimmi (none / 0) (#5)
    by John Galt on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 07:46:36 AM EST
    Be a man, and just say it.  Just say you think that a big, meaty tax increase will bring loads of jobs to Michigan and make it the panacea of manufacturing again.

    Come on.  You can do it.  Just a few words: "We can tax our way out of Michigan's recession."

    Be the Big Democrat we know you to be.


    To Novi... and then a blurb about North Carolina (none / 0) (#6)
    by Republican Yankee on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 08:37:01 AM EST
    Novi, I appreciate your tacit admission that Granholm is part of the problem in this state.  You didn't rise up to defend her, you only counter-attacked the "conservative agenda".  Wonder why that is?

    Second, the conservative agenda has worked.  In case you didn't notice, the Bush administration's tax cuts have spurred economic growth around the country.  The United States has a 4.6% unemployment rate (considered to be "full employment" by economists), has created nearly 8 million jobs, and has provided the country with 47 consecutive months of job growth.

    Sure we're hurting in Michigan because of the auto industry, but without the "conservative agenda" things would probably be a hell of a lot worse in Michigan than they are now, if anyone can even imagine that.

    On North Carolina, I understand the concern, but please allow me to rebut the Gongwer article.  I wrote a column on this a couple weeks ago and the the outlook for right-to-work states, North Carolina included, keeps getting better.

    Since January of 2003, North Carolina has had a job growth rate of 7.42%.  This is the 17th highest job growth rate in the country for that time period.

    Michigan on the other hand has a job growth rate of -4.16% for the same time period.

    Sure maybe North Carolina lost more jobs one month, but when you look at the trend over time, there is no comparison.

    In fact, starting at Jannuary 2003, when you average all of the job growth rates from right to work states together you get an average growth rate of 9.25%.  This is opposed to non-right to work states, which have a growth rate of only 4.73%.

    When you rank all the states together, 7 of the top 10 job growth states are right to work states while 9 out of the bottom 10 job growth states are non-right-to-work.  The exception with the latter is Louisiana, who got leveled by Hurricane Katrina.

    Now Democrats will tell you that the only reason this happens is because companies in right to work will hire people for less money and therefore can afford to hire more workers.  And in a state like Michigan right now that would be a problem?

    I'm sure that anyone making $0.00 an hour right no in Michigan's job starved economy would work for $8.75 an hour because there are not other jobs out there.

    So what does this do?  It has a multiplier effect on the economy.

    More people working, means more people have money, which means more people are likely spending money on goods and services, companies producing the goods and services need to respond to increased demand, so they hire more workers.

    AKA economics 101.

    "Cush" was on OTR talking about this very thing a couple of weeks ago and he laughed at Republicans saying that what we do is eliminate a job where someone was making $80,000 a year and replace that worker four people making $20,000 a year.

    Why's that so funny?  The person who is making $80,000 a year is a skilled laborer and likely can find work else where, where as the four people replacing him are probably new hires in entry level positions that will have opportunities to work their way up.  This is what we call economic growth.

    Besides, I'm sure Democrats wouldn't have a problem if CEOs surrendered all of their salary in the name of hiring more workers, so for Cush to even make this argument was folley.

    Right to work states work!  The proof is in the numbers and the only Democrats can hide it is by keeping union members blind and deaf to the facts, facts that have allowed the auto industry in the south to BOOM, while Michigan continues to scratch it's head.

    I still don't see how Right to Work is the (none / 0) (#7)
    by Needmorelikeike on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 12:19:29 PM EST
    solution when it's a Right to Work state that is leading in job loss, and a very pro union state like New York is attracting jobs.  I do not want Michigan to become like Mississippi and Alabama.

    Heck, there was an article in Forbes over the weekend that showed that Right to Work laws lead to high illegal immigration and opens up a whole other Pandora's Box of problems.

    I've never said (none / 0) (#8)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 12:33:46 PM EST
    that a tax increase will bring loads of jobs to Michigan. But I don't think it will be the cause of major job losses either (and since you all claimed that tax cuts would lead to an economic revival, you don't have much credibility for your ability to predict the future). I know that a status quo budget will likely lead to the loss of thousands of people in government jobs. You may not have sympathy for them but they are just as out-of-work and just as unemployed as anyone in the private sector when they lose their job. I see the state budget as just one part, and a small part really, in the effort to transform the state's economy while at the same time trying to hold on to as much of the old manufacturing economy as makes sense economically.

    The difference (none / 0) (#11)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 01:11:36 PM EST
    is that the conservatives here for all of their anti-government rhetoric keep running around like chickens with their heads cut off demanding that the Governor "do something!" as if anything state government does is going to have any immediate effect on the economy. I don't believe that and its why I think most of the rhetoric here is just a bunch of hot air. As I pointed out in the earlier post, the real problem for conservatives is that most of their "answers" only lead to job loss and lower wages. Doesn't sound like an approach to economic recovery to me.

    The Engler Years (none / 0) (#12)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 01:18:07 PM EST
    Saw these interesting statistics on the Mackinac Center web site. These represent economic activity in Michigan when John Engler was Governor which conservatives tout as the role model of economic success.

    •  Between December 1995 and December 2003, Michigan finished 51st among the 50 states and the District of Columbia in employment growth, with a total of just 1.4 percent new jobs created.

    • Between 1995 and 2001, Michigan dropped from 23rd to 30th among the 50 states in per-capita gross state product.

    • Between 1995 and 2003, Michigan finished 49th among the 50 states and the District of Columbia in per-capita income growth.


    I don't have faith in (none / 0) (#14)
    by snoopygirlmi on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 03:26:31 PM EST
    either party to deliever the reforms that our government desperately needs.  

    I think that part of the solution is privatization of services.  Mainly because the government is involved in areas where other types of organizations are better equipped to provide services to the needy (for instance) and Medicaid/Medicare are basically jokes.

    If you've been on either program you know that government health care (or received services from the VA for anything more than a minor problem), then you know that these programs aren't working the way that they should - or rather - the way that they've been promoted to work to the population that pays for these services through taxation.

    But part of the answer is also radical structual change.  Whether it be dropping a program that doesn't work or completely restructuring the way a program functions.  The problem you run into is two-fold 1) people don't like to give up power and 2) once a government agency is created, it stays around forever like that neighbor who you'd like to see move, but never does.

    I mean, if you are going to tell me that our education system is the best that we can come up with - considering all the resources that we put into it - then we should be ashamed of ourselves because there are a lot of kids who fall through the cracks.

    We can't keep living like we have the resources we used to and we can't keep asking taxpayers for more and more.  The only thing that will accomplish is MORE people on the welfare rolls, not less.  

    Can't we just scrap this government and start over?  The system as it exists now isn't working and I'm tired of trying to keep it propped up with politicans who are truly afraid to actually solve problems, so they tinker a bit and say - we've reformed something.  (You know, like telling the cops to watch their mileage - Like that's going to make a real dent in the budget).    

    Getting lazy JG (none / 0) (#15)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:05:06 AM EST
    Guess that happens when you skim. I didn't say that the economic problems are a "conservative problem".   The conservative "problem" is that the answers you have provided are losers both economically and politically. Your solutions are to encourage job "growth" through lower wages and benefits and government spending reductions by laying people off. No conservatives admit that's what they want but when you boil down your suggestions to their core, that's what you get.

    Your problem personally is that your so invested in tax cuts as THE solution that you refuse to acknowledge any facts that would contradict that. You tout the Bush tax cuts as the reason that the economy was booming in the rest of the US. But somehow the Bush tax cuts didn't work in Michigan, even when layered on top of the state tax cuts that preceeded them? Are we supposed to believe that the Governor Granholm single-handedly was able to override the effects of both the Bush and the state tax cuts? Or maybe, just maybe, the Bush tax cuts aren't the reason that the economies in those other states are booming. Maybe tax cuts or increases only have marginal impact on economic decisions being made, especially by multi-national corporations that just happen to be based in Michigan.

    See, that's the difference between you and me. The only answer you have is "tax cut". I don't need to come here to defend tax increases because at the end of the day, I know that the economy of the state isn't going to live or die based on whether we have a tax increase or not. A tax increase might not even be necessary. There's plenty of money is corrections that could be reallocated if the Governor's reforms were adopted. If we had the courage to do away with tax giveaways like tax abatements, it would make our tax system more equitable and generate more revenue. You can keep trying to paint me into a box but it's pretty difficult for you to do when you're stuck in your own cell of delusions about tax cuts.

    I'm glad you aren't touting the party line... (none / 0) (#16)
    by John Galt on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:20:29 AM EST
    You say...
    A tax increase might not even be necessary.

    Now if only you can get the people in charge on YOUR side to understand that, we'd be all set.

    Granholm has her mind SET on raising taxes for 2008.  Now, you want to talk about "political losers"... Raising taxes is ALWAYS a political loser.

    And it's really simple too.  Who are the biggest block of voters?  (This should be easy for NoviDemon).  What kind of income do they live on?  And what happens when you lower their quality of living?  Gee golly, that was hard.

    Or not (none / 0) (#17)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 09:37:17 AM EST
    "Raising taxes is ALWAYS a political loser."

    If that was the case, then explain why we have a tax system that by your claims is overly burdensome.

    What's wrong JG? (none / 0) (#19)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:24:12 AM EST
    "That you claim has continuously lowered taxes?"

    That's true, we have been cutting taxes. Under John Engler, the gax tax went up. Now, according to you, raising taxes is "ALWAYS a political loser". Yet it happened. So try explaining how taxes go up if it's "ALWAYS a political loser". Not too tough, is it?

    "Also, find where I said our tax system is overly burdensome?  Find the quote."

    I'm not wasting my time doing that. If you don't think the current tax system is "overly burdensome" then say so. We can save my time looking and your time spinning why your words don't mean exactly what they said.

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