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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    The cost...


    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 07:54:55 AM EST
    Tags: Michigan, Smoking, Smokers, Cigarettes, Business (all tags)

    One of our most esteemed regulars, Corinthian Scales, has in one of his comments pointed out another brilliant article by economist Walter E Williams.

    Michigan has come to a fork in the road, and instead of left or right, it has driven itself into the ditch. It should be noted that in the case of the new ban on smoking, it does come at a financial cost.

    The cost to nonsmokers to impose their will on smokers, say, in a restaurant, bar or airplane, is zero, or close to it. They just have to get the legislature to do their bidding. When the cost of something is zero, there's a tendency for people to take too much of it. You say, "Williams, in my book, there can never be too much smoke-free air!" Here's a little test. Say your car's out of gas and stuck in a blizzard. You wave me down for assistance. I say, "I'll be glad to give you a lift to safety, but I'm smoking in my car." How likely is it that you'll turn down my assistance in an effort to avoid tobacco smoke? You might be tempted to argue, "That's different." It's not different at all. The cost of a smoke-free environment is not what you're willing to pay.

    Perhaps we wont be stuck in the blizzard, but we will wind up with revenues to the state treasury being reduced.

    Something to remember, is the 26 year tobacco settlement plan that is based on smoking.  Michigan with a greater number of smokers, has benefited from the plan to the tune of about $300 billion a year, but that number could decrease.

    Add to this, the state has become somewhat dependent on those funds..

    Our politicians have not recognized the temporary nature of this windfall and placed most of it in a reserve fund. Every penny so far has been spent, and legislators have actually borrowed against future settlement cash to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on wrongheaded "economic development" programs, tourism industry subsidies and to avoid spending cuts.

    When the settlement was announced in late 1998, it was like chum dumped into shark-infested waters: Hungry special interests began circling the state Capitol.

    McHugh, in the statement above is correct.  Our legislators, in the stead of discovering cuts to be made refuse to allow their "little precious" to be put away for later use.  Of course they may have now caused "precious" to become even more so, as revenues from the settlement will sure fall more quickly as a result of more government caused business failures, and simple reduction in cigarette use affecting the settlement revenue.

    Having been a smoker, I can tell you that this type of legislation WILL change habits.  An after work beer and a smoke at a bar will not translate to an after work beer in the local watering hole alone. Bar patronage will decrease. It will be significant in its effect on business.  And businesses such as bars and nightclubs have already been suffering under increased pressure of lowered alcohol limits, stepped up police action etc..

    Aside from the economic impact, it is unenforceable.  The 5th and 14th amendments have issue with it naturally.

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment XIV:
    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Perhaps the state's attorneys have looked at the use of precedence, and the courts that seemingly at a whim "rewrite" the constitution, and decided it would be acceptable, this would be a sad precedent, allowing even more intrusion.  Ski Hills break legs, motorcycles dont have safety belts, amusement park rides break, speed limits are too high, TV alpha waves cause brain damage, and a million others..  What next?

    But what the heck, as noted in the Williams article, it only comes at a cost.  I guess our legislators are willing to pay for it.  Let it cost them their jobs, and a future in further eroding our protected constitutional rights.

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    Bravo, great points all! (none / 0) (#1)
    by pauldpeterson on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 08:15:25 AM EST
    I actually hadn't gotten into the property rights portion of my post since it dealt with the social aspect and assumes people respect property rights, but I'm glad you did.

    Great citations! It goes to show what happens when government begins persecution of one group, it doesn't end, it only gets worse. What's that old saying? First they came for the smokers, and I said nothing..... then they came for me?

    Funny, this should be happening against the industry that gave success to the colonies and was the first main export from the New World...

    Paul "Revere" Peterson
    Conservative Patriot
    Internet Columnist

    How dare you (none / 0) (#3)
    by Rougman on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 09:08:38 AM EST
    inject the concepts of freedom and economics into an issue that is supposed to be purely emotional.

    Shame!

    3 points... (none / 0) (#6)
    by rdww on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 09:33:20 AM EST
    1. This new law is a bad one, as are all overreaching legislative efforts.

    2. The "car in a blizzard" analogy is a poor one - suppose you reverse it -- you're stuck in a blizzard, smoking a cig, and someone drives by to offer a lift, but says you can't smoke in their car.  Now YOU'RE paying a cost.

    3. The 4th and 15th amendments actually conflict with each other, as former slave owners discovered to their chagrin in 1868.  The 14th essentially says "screw the rest of the constitution - we won the Civil War, so there!"


    What argument are you making? (none / 0) (#9)
    by grpundit on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 05:09:46 PM EST
    Are you making a takings argument? Due process? Equal protection? State revenue? I don't get it... you're all over the board on this.

    • Hmm.. by grpundit, 12/14/2009 05:54:56 PM EST (none / 0)
      • My Take by Rougman, 12/14/2009 09:55:11 PM EST (none / 0)
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