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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Where's the Farm Bill Protest?


    By Ken Braun, Section News
    Posted on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:56:13 AM EST
    Tags: (all tags)

    (Promoted by Nick...)

    Ag subsidies may cost as much as Iraq and we get nothing for them.

    Economist Joseph Stiglitz has recently and famously estimated the running total for the Iraq War -- from its beginning in March 2003 until this year -- at $845 billion.

    Iraq War critics, Stiglitz included, are apt to toss this figure out as a 100% opportunity-cost loss, assuming no good has or will come from the financial expense (let alone the high sacrifices of those who are fighting it for us.) An example of his comparison accounting on this subject:

    A trillion dollars could have hired 15 million additional public school teachers for a year or provided 43 million students with four-year scholarships to public universities...

    From this vantage point, no countering calculation is to be considered for problems averted (when was the last terrorist attack on U.S. soil?) or a world made better because we opted to shuffle the deck rather than play the cards as dealt (does the tape run better from here with or without Saddam?)

    There is, suffice to say, still an argument to be made for the Iraq investment producing a better world. My purpose in this short missive is not to wade into that case, but I'll happily stand next to everything written on the subject by Christopher Hitchens.

    Instead, I'd like to offer a comparison of my own. The Farm Bill, enacted into law over the objections of and a veto by George W. Bush, will directly cost U.S. taxpayers $307 billion from the federal treasury over the next five years. That's before you tack on the market distortions (such as ethanol mandates) that will continue to drive up the cost of food paid for by those same taxpayers. All to give subsidies to farmers who are making record profits from the food price hikes already taking place.

    There will be an eventual de-escalation of our commitment in Iraq -- perhaps very soon. Yet there seems no end in sight for farmer welfare. There were many Farm Bills before this, and the ethanol mandates and other subsidies and distortions are now more out of control than ever.

    So...

    $307 billion (and probably much more) over five years for just the latest example of an ongoing, total, and undeniable, rip-off of the taxpayers

    -vs-

    $845 billlion over the same time period for a military operation that is (still debatable) a legitimate benefit for national security that will terminate?

    I'm wondering where the Farm Bill protests are.

    Is taking out Saddam really the greater immorality?

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    both wrong (none / 0) (#1)
    by prattleon on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:24:01 AM EST
    The Farm Bill is as atrocious and unconstitutional as the Iraq War.  They are both gigantic wastes of taxpayer money.  At least the Farm Bill isn't directly responsible for over 4,000 American lives and over 1,000,000 innocent civilian lives, as is the Iraq war.  There is no price tag that can be put on that.  and to compare the two, based on monetary cost alone is unacceptable.  Stop and think about it for second.  Then think about what we have gained from the occupation of Iraq...?  

    And before we have even begun thinking about withdrawal, there are serious threats of getting into the same mess in Iran.  They are coming not only from Bush, but from both of McCain and Obama.

    The problem is the entire US foreign policy which is neither making us any more secure, nor doing anything to help other countries.  This is VASTLY more damaging than the Farm Bill.  

    trick question? (none / 0) (#2)
    by whatever on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:24:28 AM EST
    "$307 billion (and probably much more) over five years for just the latest example of an ongoing, total, and undeniable, rip-off of the taxpayers

    -vs-

    $845 billlion over the same time period for a military operation that is (still debatable) a legitimate benefit for national security that will terminate?"

    you're kidding, right? good god...

    sign me up for the farm bill. you also forgot to mention there's a provision in there that deals with greedy oil speculation.

    • apparently by prattleon, 06/16/2008 10:30:24 AM EST (none / 0)
    Yeah (none / 0) (#7)
    by tenex22 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:07:28 PM EST
    December 7th, 1941 comes to mind. When will you people on the left realize there are people in the world that WANT to KILL US.

    • the left? by prattleon, 06/16/2008 08:57:57 PM EST (none / 0)
      • wars? by goppartyreptile, 06/16/2008 10:02:03 PM EST (none / 0)
        • exactly by prattleon, 06/17/2008 08:15:21 AM EST (none / 0)
      • I am in the Military by tenex22, 06/17/2008 07:28:33 AM EST (none / 0)
        • What branch by Nick, 06/17/2008 07:33:21 AM EST (none / 0)
          • USCG by tenex22, 06/17/2008 07:34:39 AM EST (none / 0)
    contracts (none / 0) (#18)
    by prattleon on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 08:27:18 AM EST
    I commend your service, but I also respect the many individuals who choose not to report for duty for a war that they see as illegal.  this war is unconstitutional and therefore illegal.  the United States broke its contract with the people.  service men and women now have the right to terminate theirs.  

    if you had a contract to work with the state police for a year and they suddenly changed their policy to  shoot the tires of any car that was speeding, would you honor your contract?  

    military (none / 0) (#19)
    by prattleon on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 08:45:00 AM EST
    most men and women join the military to protect and serve their country, not to blindly follow the orders of a government who answers to no one.

    "By a declaration of rights, I mean one which shall stipulate freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of commerce against monopolies, trial by juries in all cases, no suspensions of the habeas corpus, no standing armies. These are fetters against doing evil which no honest government should decline."
    -Thomas Jefferson

    "Under every government the [last] resort of the people, is an appeal to the sword; whether to defend themselves against the open attacks of a foreign enemy, or to check the insidious encroachments of domestic foes.  Whenever a people ... entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens."
    -Anonymous Constitution Framer (Independent Gazetteer, January 29, 1791)

    "The wise learn many things from their enemies."
    -Aristophanes

    "What, Sir, is the use of a militia?
    It is to prevent the establishment
    of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ...
    Whenever Governments mean to invade
    the rights and liberties of the people,
    they always attempt to destroy the militia,
    in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
    -Elbridge Gerry(1744-1814) of Massachusetts, Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Member of the Constitutional Convention

    Thank you prattleon & tenex22 (none / 0) (#20)
    by LX on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:27:09 AM EST
    Prattleon, thanks for what you continue to contribute here, and actually making me look at situations from different perspectives. A friend of mine sent this to me recently and if even a little bit of this is true, it points to a perplexing future for everyone. This is very long, so when you have the time, check it out...

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

    tenex22, thank you for your chosen service to our nation. I am humbled every time I meet one of our brave service members be it casually or through volunteer work.

    God bless

    prattleon (none / 0) (#21)
    by goppartyreptile on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:58:12 AM EST
    " commend your service, but I also respect the many individuals who choose not to report for duty for a war that they see as illegal.  this war is unconstitutional and therefore illegal.  the United States broke its contract with the people.  service men and women now have the right to terminate theirs."

    unconstitutional and therefore illegal?  based on what?  

    anyone that wants to bolt, good for them.  but they aren't heroes, and they need to pay for breaking the law.  even if it makes you angry.

    when I joined up, I was well aware of both how the IRR and "stop loss" worked.  and anyone that has served is aware of it.



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