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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    'The Mouse Who Roared'


    By prattleon, Section News
    Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:27:35 AM EST
    Tags: (all tags)

    (Discussion closed by El Senor Nick...)

    Though the primary election isn't over, Doug Wead, chimes in on who already won.

    Doug Wead is a presidential historian, philanthropist, author of numerous books and he was Special Assistant to former U.S. President George H. W. Bush.  He has also been credited with coining the phrase "compassionate conservative."  It seems he is among the many conservatives -- often ridiculed for their defense of Ron Paul -- who realizes that the Republican party has derailed, and Ron Paul is the lone voice of reason among the gaggle of big-government phonies running for president.  This excerpt is from a blog he recently wrote:  

    "Well now, Republicans say, we have a nominee.  That may very well be but there was only one clear winner in the confusing GOP nominating contest and it was not John McCain.  The winner was Ron Paul.  And the effects of his win will be felt for years to come.

    "Ron Paul made a classic political mistake.  He told the truth.  In debate after debate he pointed at his party, his president, his fellow contenders for the GOP nomination, shouting aloud like the little boy in the proverbial story, "they have no clothes" and lo and behold, we looked and they didn't.  They were all naked.

    "He showed that the conservative movement has lost its way, its moral authority and its logic.  He showed us that we have become a red team versus blue team.  That since we have decided that this is a political war and all normal rules are suspended, conservatives can do liberal things to win it.  Conservatives can run up big deficits if it helps their side win.  They can dole out needless pork if it elects another "conservative" to congress.  They can go to war if it makes their president look like a leader and wins him another term.

    "But in the process, Ron Paul showed us, that we have lost our way.  We are no longer conservatives.  We are fighting for power not for principles.  We have become corrupted by the process and the only way back is to retrace our steps and find all the things we discarded along he way."

    Continued here

    < Thursday in the Sphere, February 7 | Romney out? >


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    Ouch! (none / 0) (#1)
    by KG One on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 12:51:35 PM EST
    You know that you're going to get flack in that one.

    Although, I doubt the Rush, Ann, Sean, et al will change their preferences any time soon...

    • This is so frustrating by prattleon, 02/07/2008 01:27:47 PM EST (none / 0)
      • As if... by John Galt, 02/07/2008 01:33:19 PM EST (none / 0)
      • freudian slip... by John Galt, 02/07/2008 01:34:17 PM EST (none / 0)
        • Hey JG... by rdww, 02/08/2008 02:43:25 PM EST (none / 0)
          • Nope... by John Galt, 02/09/2008 08:47:23 AM EST (none / 0)
    Sorry, that wasn't my intention. (none / 0) (#5)
    by KG One on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:14:14 PM EST
    Yes, I did catch the H&C clip with her announcing her support for HRH HRC in the event McCain got the nod.

    Why anyone would throw their support behind the hildabeast is beyond me. Acting like Britany Spears does not enhance your credibility.

    With Rep. Paul still running, I'd love to see how the MSM intends to keep him out of the election coverage from here on in.

    I used to be skeptical at the beginning too... (none / 0) (#8)
    by KG One on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 04:25:43 PM EST
    ...but anyone who was being objective on following the race couldn't help but notice there was a pattern forming.

    The MSM would devote an inordinate amount of time towards certain candidates while outright ignoring others. The only exception to this being C-Span.

    Call it what you will, but the media's job is to report the news, not stack the odds towards the candidates they favor.

    As for the "Britney" moment (which was strictly directed only at Coulter), as far as I'm concerned, anyone who claims to be for limited government, then turns around and supports a megalomanic like HRH HRC isn't firing on all cylinders!

    Regarding Paul's record.

    Say what you want about the man, he has been consistent with his positions throughout his time in office. Not a record that other candidates claim.

    I prefer supporting candidates who stand for something (and are consistent about it)...if you don't, oh well.

    What it comes down to now... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ed Burley on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:00:09 PM EST
    Is the direction of the GOP for the next 20 years. Now that Romney, the one that the conservatives CLAIMED was the conservative in the race, has backed out, will those conservatives actually look to backing a true conservative? Or will everyone just join in with Guiliani, the liberal, to endorse McCain?

    We've had 8 years of a moderate Republican. That's fine - we're supposed to be a big tent. But let's keep in mind that the GOP doesn't have a good record of supporting truly free-market conservatives for office. Most of those who win their races actually find themselves in future races battling against moderate Republicans who are trying to unseat them.

    My hope is that Huckabee will drop out in the next few days, and in the remaining states, the GOP electorate sit down and decide the direction of the GOP for the coming years. Will they back a moderately liberal Republican like McCain, or a Conservative like Ron Paul?

    If they go with McCain, then we may as well kiss the "Goldwater" wing of the GOP goodbye. We'll have nowhere else to go except to either the Libertarians (which I've already done), or take the revolution to the most grass roots level we can, by running for public office on the local level as conservatives, yet staying in the McCain GOP.

    ed


    AmenAmenAmenAmen..... (none / 0) (#10)
    by rdww on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:32:40 PM EST
    Thank God someone gets it.
    Ron Paul has been the one voice telling the Republican party to come home, and has really lit a fire.  It's worth noting how badly the "conservative" choices have done among Republicans this year.  "Duncan Hunter is our guy!... oops, well, Fred Thomson is our guy!... oops, well, Maybe Mitt Romney... " etc.  Meanwhile, Ron Paul has been firing up the Republican base, and drawing lots of new members and support by daring to say the obvious.  
    -- Big government sucks, whether you use it to build a welfare state or a warfare state.  
    -- Invading Iraq was a dumb, unconservative idea, badly handled.

    Boy, he sure lit a fire alright. (none / 0) (#13)
    by John Galt on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 08:55:47 AM EST
    The ships on fire, and it's going down.  Captain and all.  But you're right, he sure lit a fire.

    Six delegates in all, and he's "lit a fire".  Come on.  

    The fact you guys can't even comprehend (or accept) why he hasn't gotten more delegates is just hillarious.  Shouting at the moon that everyone else is wrong, while simultaneously circle-jerking each other with "we lit a fire!  we have massive support".  And then claiming that there's conspiracies to keep Ron Paul down.

    I really liked the part about how the MSM "picked" candidates.  What lunacy.  But I'm sure Ron Paul would change freedom of speech and mandate all news sources cover EVERY piece of news, every day of the week... even if they have to go out of business because they can't afford the newspaper and airtime.  Oh wait, that's not exactly free-market or libertarian.

    Keep wishing, guys.  Wish in one hand, piss in the other and see which one fills up first.  Your six delegates don't matter now, Ron Paul is even more insignificant today than he was six months ago.  Why would they cover him now?

    • Poor, poor JG... by rdww, 02/09/2008 09:07:18 AM EST (none / 0)
      • Yep by Ed Burley, 02/09/2008 09:58:11 AM EST (none / 0)
    Looks like the paultards can go away now... (none / 0) (#17)
    by John Galt on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:33:25 PM EST
    Ron Paul cashed in his six delegates to run for re-election in his congressional district.  It seems the fire died out, eh?

    Maybe in his next term he can make term-limits constitutional.

    Poor, poor Paultards.  Like a lost puppy, now where will you go?  Oh well.  Is there enough bleach to get that "Who is Ron Paul?" off your bedsheets?

    Ed Burley Delusional... (none / 0) (#18)
    by John Galt on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:41:47 PM EST
    Yeah, all six delegates have really "effected" something.  Now that the Ru Paul Depression has ended, you guys have to chant something new...

    "We made a difference, we changed things, there's a next time..."  Am I missing anything?  Oh yeah, "it was big media's fault, and rush limbaugh's fault, and hannity..."

    Who said I was voting for a liberal?  Silly Ed Burley, you think you know me so well.  You make awfully awkward assumptions about me.  If you were really a conservative I might take a look at where I've gone wrong... but I hardly care what a libertarian-who-calls-himself-conservative things.

    Keep up your delusions, as you join the ranks of the Libertarian party.  It really doesn't matter.  Kinda like Ron Paul, who never really mattered in this race.

    I'll await the delusion filled reply, filled with insults about how i'm some liberal, and how ron paul mattered - with the only proof being some single-day contributions.  But your response doesnt matter.  You're not a conservative.  And by your own admission you're not a republican anymore.  

    BTW, notice that JG.. (none / 0) (#19)
    by rdww on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:09:17 PM EST
    ... seems to have a real "piss" obsession?  Perhaps it stems from his need to urinate on people who have bigger and better dreams than himself.

    John McCain (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ed Burley on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:46:14 PM EST
    I suppose you are going to vote for John McCain in the General election? Funny how other conservatives are saying they won't vote for him. Why might that be? Because he's too liberal?

    So, who's it going to be John? McCain, Clinton or Obama? Which liberal, John?

    And you are correct, I don't know you at all, since you exist only under a pseudonym, you could be John McCain for all we know.

    In fact, that would be a more proper moniker for you. Ayn Rand would have sat out this election, not stumped for the GOP.

    And before you jump on your next idiotic bandwagon, Rand wouldn't have voted for Ron Paul either. She would have advocated for total war - wiping the Islamic horde (religious fanatics) off the planet.

    ed


    Paultards going home (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ed Burley on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:50:40 PM EST
    John Galt (sic),
    Either you are too young, or too stupid to remember the election of 1996. Whether you like it or not, Dole (another Eisenhower wanna-be like McCain) thought that he'd bad-mouth the conservative in the party (Buchanan). At the convention, when the GOP demanded that Buchanan's delegates surrender their votes for Dole to show a united front, the Buchananites turned their backs to the stage, cast their votes for Buchanan, and then left the convention.

    What happened in that election? Do you remember? Clinton, who should have lost (after losing his majority in Congress mid-term - just like Bush) should have lost. Alas, he won again. It wasn't Perot, he had gotten 19% the first time, and only 8% that time. Nope, it was the Buchanan crowd. It was their going to Perot, OR possibly staying home, OR possibly voting for Clinton (one liberal is as good as another).

    You mock, you ridicule. We'll see come November who wins. Care to make a prediction?

    ed


    We're both voting for Liberals, bozo. (none / 0) (#22)
    by John Galt on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 11:23:13 AM EST
    You're 100% right about certain parts of the election of '96.  Clinton should have lost (never getting above 50% of the popular vote).  You're right about Dole bad mouthing conservatives.

    But you forget to mention that Buchanan had a fuckton more delegates than Ron Paul has now.  I'm not worried about six delegates not handing over their vote to anyone.  

    But the problem in 96 is that Dole didn't motivate people, he was a moderate, and just didn't really give anyone a reason to vote for him over Clinton.

    But yeah, I was too young back then.  

    I think it's funny how you get tracked into such a behavior that you can't break out, Ed.  You seem to come to a decision about someone, without any facts, and keep using that prejudiced image.  You keep insisting I'm going to vote for McCain/Obama/Clinton.  And like I said in my previous post, you have no proof to offer for your continued allegations.  But I suppose it's likewise, right?  Your vote for a Libertarian means a liberal gets into office anyways, so aren't you just as culpible?  Maybe I sit this election out.  Maybe I pull an Ed Burley and vote "Other Party".  Who knows, I haven't made up my mind yet.  

    But the things I do know:

    •  Ron Paul was a libertarian, not a conservative
    •  Ron Paul never had a chance at the nomination, no matter how much you guys pretend he did
    •  Ron Paul affected the future of the party about as much as Dennis Kucinich affected Democrats with his UFO sitings.  Republican platform is not being directed by a gold-standard or getting out of Iraq.
    •  Ron Paul is still a Republican, even though many Paultards have said they won't stay in the GOP
    •  The further you let something slide to the left, the harder it is to come back to the status quo - let alone move it to the right.  Corrolary, a Hillary/Obama presidency would be more destructive than a McCain presidency.  

    The question is... Would a Hillary presidency ensure a Conservative in 2012/2016?  Maybe.  But it involves being part of a grassroots effort to find solutions, find candidates, and spread a message.  Not sitting back, sitting out, or decrying how you've been hurt by some intangible nobody somewhere - thus you're switching parties.  

    Losers cry about their best, they cry about how they were fouled.  Are conservatives going to be losers?  Not if we can take the opportunity to identify real solutions to problems and start spreading the message.  

    We agree on more than you'd imagine (none / 0) (#24)
    by John Galt on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 01:33:05 PM EST
    Aside from our disagreements about Ron Paul, we agree on more than you think.

    I find it hard to stomach voting for McCain.

    Despite Bill Bennet, Newt Gingrich, and anyone else, I think McCain will lead us deeper into liberal dogma.  It's not that i don't trust the words that come out of his mouth - it's that his words are narrowly tailored, and I'm afraid of what he's NOT saying.

    And besides.  If we're going to keep being hit over the head on shit like No Child Left Behind and Prescription Medicare Coverage... I'd rather it be a Democrat we can beat, than someone keep saying "Republicans are supposed to be".

    But whether we vote or not, we're getting a Liberal.  Like I said in many previous posts.  Your vote for Libertarian still votes for Hillary.  And Ann Coulter is admitting she'll do the same.  But I agree, I can't see myself voting for McCain.  And whether anyone likes it or not, Ron Paul wasn't going to get the nod.  

    So the question is, what's the best strategy moving forward?  Do we fsck ourselves now so we can recover a few years from now?  Or do we fsck ourselves a little bit, take the continued lumps from liberals about liberal policies... and hope we can reverse less liberalization in the future.

    I'm thinking we let Hillary ride the country into socialist hell, while we work to come up with viable conservative solution to the problems (not just libertarian, and not poorly communicated).  But what do I know.

    All I know is that (none / 0) (#25)
    by LX on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:02:11 PM EST
    I sure don't like the looks of this February 2008 CPAC Straw Poll.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24921

    62% said they would vote for McCain pre Romney drop, post Romney drop 70% said that they would vote for him.

    See the complete straw poll results at http://cpac.org/

    I could be wrong, but it looks to me as if we'll continue on the downward spiral with Juan McAmnesty in '08, then after his first term the 76-year-old Juan will be pushed aside by B. Hussein or the Hildabeast in 2012.

    It sure does not look that there is room for conservative thinking people in the big picture of America, at least under the Republican umbrella.

    Ron Paul is not an issue, never has been. (none / 0) (#30)
    by John Galt on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 06:27:20 AM EST
    Your entire long speech there was all nice and flowery.

    But your comment about wanting everyone to stop making wise-ass remarks instead of talking about the issues... I'll continue to be an ass to anyone whose going to continue to troll about him.  I'm sorry you don't understand what the terms "troll" and "spam" mean.  It takes two to tango, and it's funny to me the Ron Paul crowd here is telling me i'm splintering the GOP.  Because I'm deriding the equivalent of 16 delegates worth of voters.

    I'm not too worried about splintering off folks like rdww and dogster, and any of the other wackos out there.  It's sad that you get caught up into the mix, but you've also had your wackoness in the past (dealing with your party affiliation, and quitting/not quitting whichever party at the time).  

    I'll be glad to discuss the issues, but I'm not going to sit by while folks spam and troll about Obi-won-paul-nobi being the only one who can save us.  He isn't the solution, and as of this date he is irrelevant in this election or any other election.  So talking about Ron Paul isn't talking about the issues, and isn't talking about the solutions.  You ask that I speak about the issues - I ask that you Ron Paul supporters simply drop it.  I'm one guy, there are seven of you Ron Paul supporters on here, and I'm not going to ignore being poked with a stick by rdww any more than you guys ignore my comments about Ron Paul.

    So what IS the solution now?  You've repeated the same options I laid out in my previous post.  Joining the Libertarian party, quitting the Republicans isn't the answer either.  Conservatism isn't idolitry, it's prudent change with some founding principles.  When you guys are ready to discuss conservatism and spreading practical solutions, and not Ron Paul, I'll be here.

    Gingrich has a way (none / 0) (#34)
    by Nick on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 11:51:38 AM EST
    of connecting with folks and getting you excited about ideas.  Could use a lot more of that on our side these days.  

    Reports from CPAC have all been pretty good.  Sounds like it was one heck of a conference, dissappointment in Romney's decision notwithstanding.

    • Ideas by Ed Burley, 02/12/2008 11:57:21 AM EST (none / 0)
    Liberating the economy (none / 0) (#36)
    by John Galt on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:08:16 PM EST
    Doesn't protect our borders or mandate english as the official national language.

    Both of these things, according to Gingrich's polls, are changes most people want.  

    • yeah, but by Ed Burley, 02/12/2008 05:02:30 PM EST (none / 0)
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