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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Where have all the students gone?


    By Wendy Day, Section News
    Posted on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 08:13:27 PM EST
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    (Promoted by Nick...)

    I am a homeschool mom who serves on the Howell School Board.

    It was reported this month that 25,000 students have left Michigan public schools this year. There are predictions that we will lose about 25,000 students a year for the next 9 years at least.

    Where are all the students going? Most educrats would argue that this is happening because of the economy in Michigan and the fact that so many families are moving out of state.

    That may account for some of the students not reporting for class this year. But I would venture to guess it does not account for all of them.

    I started homeschooling 3-years ago and each year more and more people I know are choosing that route. Others choose to put their kids in charter or private schools.

    Why are these parents leaving the public schools? There are several reasons, including:

    1. Everyday Math- this math program is terrible. Those of us who grew up with the old fashioned math will be shocked at what is being taught in many schools in Michigan. Here is a video about the math our students are learning:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr1qee-bTZI

    2. The Core Democratic Values are a good representation of the tone of public school teaching, from the state down. These values are taught in elementary and middle school. Here is an example:

    Common Good The public or common good requires that individual citizens have the commitment and motivation--that they accept their obligation--to promote the welfare of the community and to work together with other members for the greater benefit of all.

    This sounds like socialism to me.

    To see more go to: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/10-02_Core_democtaric_Values_48832_7.pdf

    3. There is a good chance your little one will see Al Gore's masterpiece, An Inconvieint Truth, shown as truth in class. One parent I talked to said his child saw the movie three times, in one day! Al Gore + theory taught as fact = 1 scared parent.

    These are just three examples of what our schools are doing to drive students out.

    Should we be surprised? No. Our public schools are an unionized monopoly. They won't improve until they are forced to through competition. Until then, the school bell may ring, but the seats will continue to be empty.

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    Education (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ed Burley on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 10:25:20 AM EST
    While I agree fundamentally with the things you say about government education, I would say that is not the reason that parents should, if humanly possible, chose the home education route. To me, it is due to the societal view of government education.

    Government education, even if things like bullying and ignorance in the teaching staff are cured, serves one basic purpose - to indoctrinate the children and prepare them to be good citizens of the state. GE gives the children what they "need" to know to get by in life - or so they claim. The life they want our children living is one where they are loyal to the state, and its economic and political goals.

    Children who are home educated are, or at least should be, taught to think critically. It is unfortunate that most fundamentalist home educators don't really do this; unless they are using The Sonlight Curriculum, or The Robinson Curriculum. Both of these curriculum choices encourage the child to read, and to make those reading choices based not on one's already accepted philosophy, but upon critically examining philosophical schools of differing thought.

    Government schools prepare the children to be good little union workers for the multinational corporations. This way, the government can ensure the multinationals of the thing they need the most - a steady supply of ignorant workers, who know just enough to put the round peg in the round hole. They may not know why the round one goes there, but since it works, they accept it.

    I know these comments sound cynical, and I know that some kids get a good education IN SPITE of going to a government school (generally this is because the family is dedicated to "going above and beyond" and helping the child to actually learn something). The entrepreneurial spirit hasn't been completely destroyed in America yet (although it sure would seem so, when our choices for prez are McCain, Clinton and Obama), and it is due to that fact that there's still hope, even for those who were government educated

    My first thought after seeing the video... (none / 0) (#2)
    by KG One on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:27:02 PM EST
    ...was that you have GOT to be kidding me. This is a joke, right?

    Sadly, after doing some research online, I found out that there are "experts" who are standing behind this bunk.

    How they can even REMOTELY expect students to solve problems, without used time-tested solutions, but rather with trial-and-error solutions, is pathetic.

    Two questions: Do you know if this "method" used in Howell or anywhere else in Michigan for that matter?

    What is the source of the 25,000 loss?


    Scary isn't it? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Wendy Day on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:33:42 PM EST
    Yes, Everyday Math is used in Howell. Both Investigations and Everyday Math are used throughout Michigan.

    I agree that critical thinking should be a cornerstone of home educating. You are right on!

    Wendy Day

    Right On! (none / 0) (#4)
    by Not A RINO on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:19:44 PM EST
    For much of their schooling, my sons were homeschooled. Believe me, they were taught critical thinking, how to write a legible paragraph and a couple levels of algebra & trig. They are a few things missing in the public schools today.

    A while back I did some research and found that while Michigan has the third highest paid teachers in the nation, our students rank only in 20th place; the Governor admitted on the radio that our students rank 37th in obtaining a college education which tells me they aren't prepared for higher education; administration costs are 58% above the national average.

    Ms. Day is right that public education is a government monopoly ran by the MEA, the teacher's union that is all about a political agenda rather than a trade association designed to raise standards in performance of its members. As a parent and taxpayer, I find it disgusting that such poor value is given to our students. We can't be the premier world leader with third world education and liberal indocrination for our students. Sadly, there is no public figure with the intestinal fortitude to make the changes necessary. Anyone who stands up to this nonsense will be excoriated for "hating children". Well-intentioned taxpayers, as a result, will be shoveling more and more cash into the trough and will continue to receive the same shoddy performance for the foreseeable future.

    Scary Indeed (none / 0) (#5)
    by Come On on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:24:18 PM EST
    Front-paging this post is an excellent way to turn people away from your blog. Ms. Day's post shows that she is ignorant and that she uses flawed reasoning to push her agenda on other people's children.

    Does she really believe that droves of parents are pulling their children from public schools because they disagree with the Core Democratic Values? Her "socialism argument" leaves out the fact that the values are from the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution, the Gettysburg Address and other foundational documents of the United States. Those are not socialist documents.

    She also claims that Everyday Mathematics is terrible. Her proof is a YouTube video. She also dislikes the "coloring pages" used to teach designs and tessellations to elementary aged students. (quote from her personal blog). This shows that she does not understand how to teach geometry and algebra concepts to young children.

    Further, her dislike of Al Gore seems to ignore the fact that his movie is not a part of the State of Michigan Curriculum. It also seems highly suspect that a child was forced to watch the movie three times in one day.

    It is also false that public schools do not have competition. By her own admissionion, unhappy parents can "choose to put their kids in charter or private schools."  This (along with the Schools of Choice program) is competition.

    I have never posted before, but I have always enjoyed reading RightMichigan. This post, however, calls into question the validity of your front-page items.  

    It seems that too many Republicans forget that most of us are the product of the public school system.


    • Come On by Ed Burley, 02/24/2008 07:49:13 PM EST (none / 0)
    Says the man leaving his FIRST (none / 0) (#6)
    by Nick on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 06:34:57 PM EST
    comment ever on the site.

    You'll forgive me if I doubt your post's sincerity.

    By the by, proud graduate of the Grand Rapids Public Schools.  OHHS.  Class of 97.

    A public school graduate? (none / 0) (#8)
    by NoviDemocrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 10:22:04 PM EST
    Based on the views of Ms. Day and her fellow travelers, I'm surprised that you can even read and write. Here's my view on public schools. Don't like them? Send your kid to a private school, a parochial school or home school them. It's your choice. But if you intend to take my tax dollars outside of the public school system to educate your kids, I expect to have a say in how my tax dollars get spent and I expect to be able to have a vote on the people spending those dollars, just like I do with public schools.

    But Ed... It's not about illiteracy... (none / 0) (#11)
    by John Galt on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:51:03 AM EST
    Because for another $480 increase in per pupil spending each year... YOU TOO can feel good about dumping your wallet to pay for teacher retirement plans and better health care than the children get!

    We must feed the behemoth monster of the Public Education System!  Because the unions tell us too!  if you don't like increased money going to the teachers, you must hate blue collar workers making $80k/year for 8 months work.

    And then you can only solve illiteracy once and for all once the teachers make more than the parents sending their kids to school... Then we can solve illiteracy forever.. at least until the teachers in the neighboring school districts make more money, and then we'll need more of your industrious tax dollars.

    no issue with home schooling (none / 0) (#12)
    by whatever on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 10:16:07 AM EST
    i don't have an issue with home schooling. cripes, students should be able to learn in an environment with 1-on-1 teacher/student ratios.

    but i take exception to someone sitting on a school board who rails against "socialist indoctrination" and essentially badmouths the concept that students should be exposed to diverse ideas. i can pretty much guarantee that the only "critical thinking" going on at many home schooling homes is that the earth was made in 7 days and god hates _____(fill in the blank).

    and please: i have no issue with freedom of religion...i just find it hypocritical to say public schools foist a singular view on students when home schoolers (for the most part) promote a singular view themselves in their own homes.

    • First of all by Ed Burley, 02/25/2008 12:22:00 PM EST (none / 0)
    re: ed (none / 0) (#14)
    by whatever on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:31:32 PM EST
    i also have experience home schooling (my oldest daughter was home schooled for 2 years). i also have experience sending her to a private school; i also have experience sending my kids through public school; i also have experience attending private and public schools and being a school teacher.

    the person in question has every right to run for a board position and sit on a board. i'm not the entity that badmouths such things--it's usually the anti-union types who get their shorts in knots over elections and candidates.

    but the fact remains she has an obligation to be more open-minded than she is about things--especially when she, in the very act of criticizing schools, shows her own biases and narrow mindedness.

    i hope that explanation has proven helpful.

    • I disagree by Ed Burley, 02/25/2008 03:14:55 PM EST (none / 0)
    whatever, the typical liberal whiner.... (none / 0) (#16)
    by John Galt on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:08:34 PM EST
    Let's all be open minded to every idea, except the ones he disagrees with.

    Let's be so open minded that our brains fall out.  But let's say someone has the right to be closed-minded, and at the same time say she shouldn't be closed-minded.

    I especially liked the categorical hatred (earth created in 7 days/god hates _) statement.

    It reminds me of the folks who say we should love everyone, which is why they hate neo-nazis.  I'm not sure if it's liberal doublespeak (are they that intelligent?) or just liberal hypocrisy?

    • Honestly John by Ed Burley, 02/25/2008 04:32:35 PM EST (none / 0)
    technicality (none / 0) (#18)
    by whatever on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:22:36 PM EST
    you're arguing semantics. true, a board member doesn't have to do a damn thing or be open to any idea. he/she can stick fingers in ears and say "la la la i know everything already don't talk to me."

    agreed.

    whether he or she should is another matter.

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