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Big 3 Could save over $125 Million by Eliminating Same-Sex Benefits

By apackof2, Section News
Posted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 11:52:32 AM EST
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Hundreds of United Auto Workers locals have converged at the Marriott Hotel in the Renaissance Center this morning...

Louis Aguilar
Detroit News

DETROIT -- Hundreds of United Auto Workers locals have converged at the Marriott Hotel in the Renaissance Center this morning, and many are prepared to be asked by top UAW leaders to reopen national labor agreements that will allow for a vast overhaul of the way autoworkers are paid, the health and retiree benefits they receive, and determine how many will hold on to their jobs.

The local leaders said it was unclear if they were going to vote today on reopening, which is the first step toward a general vote for its 139,000 active workers. But on Tuesday, each of the Detroit automakers made it clear they intend to reopen the 2007 labor agreements.....

They could save some $$ by eliminating benefits to partners of same-sex couple. Anyone discussing that??

The Big Three automakers -- DaimlerChrysler,, General Motors and Ford Motor -- announced in June that they would offer health benefits to the same-sex partners of their 466,000 hourly and salaried employees in the United States. This was a ''landmark move'' in the effort by corporate America to provide such benefits for gay and lesbian couples, the report concluded.

I could not find much on the cost of providing these benefits however

A 2005 Hewitt Associates study revealed that a majority of employers experience a total benefits cost increase of less than 1 percent.

Several studies have shown that enrollment rates tend to be in the 1 percent to 2 percent range.

For Example:

2% of 446,000 is over 93,000

93,000 @ $395 for health care for active workers and $950 for retirees. Equals for active workers $36,735.000.00 and for retirees $88,350.000.00

Total $125,085.000.00

Eliminating same sex couple partner benefits is an over 25 million savings to GM.

So if we are going to talk about eliminating benefits for actual employees...

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Big 3 Could save over $125 Million by Eliminating Same-Sex Benefits | 16 comments (16 topical, 0 hidden)

This one is a no-brainer! (none / 0) (#1)
by Eric T on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:56:52 PM EST

The big 3, now more than ever need to save some cash. The traditional family: the man goes to work and the wife stays home. You can see why the family benefits are needed.

With two guys, They should both be out working, they're really is no excuse for one guy to be staying home, and needing a near bankrupt company to pay his benefits.

You'd think they'd be lookin to trim the fat, and save some cash, where-ever they could. Put real families that really need family health care plans first.

This also (none / 0) (#2)
by apackof2 on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:58:01 PM EST

illustrates and confirms ( by other studies also) that only 2% of the population is homosexual yet they have mananged to force their agenda on the 98% of other Americans

The concession of companies to provide these same-sex beneifts is nothing more than caving in to the shake down tactics of homosexuals enabled by liberal "tolerance" message and mantra, meaning tolerance to what we say you must be tolerant of

And their is hell to pay if you do not agree!

The actions of homosexual activists have shown that after Prop 8 failed to pass in CA. if anyone doubts it.

Most companies do not want the grief so they cave

Too bad, just like some of the cajones-less RINOs we have in Congress

Evil prospers when good men cave

The Math (none / 0) (#3)
by Rougman on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:33:49 PM EST

is a bit off here.

2% of 446,000 is 8,920.

Roughman Your right! (none / 0) (#4)
by apackof2 on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 11:16:19 PM EST

That what I get for blogging on the fly, sorry

Although even if the numbers are off the principal
isn't

Shake down by radical homosexuals

Umm correct me if I''m wrong (none / 0) (#5)
by Deagol on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 12:11:02 PM EST

was never very good at maths;
446,000 workers x 2% = 8,920 workers
assume 4,460 are active; 4,460 are pensioners (50/50 split)
4,460 active workers x $395 = $1,761,700^
4,460 pensioners x $950 = $4,237,000^
Total cost is $5,998,700*
Now, isn't a little under $6M LESS THAN a little over $25M?
Any number wizards out there? - Smeagol
*If number of workers is 460,000 then total cost will rise to $6,187,000, assuming everything else remains the same.
^Are this figures [$395/$950] per claim? Monthly? Yearly?

Just don't let them go through ex-gay therapy! (none / 0) (#6)
by Audrey on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 01:15:12 PM EST

Because then they'll become chistians and marry an unfortunate hetero womeb. Then, the UAW will have to pay benefits for the wives and for their kids too.

Let's put it another way (none / 0) (#7)
by sparkyto on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 01:47:42 PM EST

It's not the gays or paying health care benefits to the less than 2% of the population that MIGHT sign up for them. Actuall industry numbers are closer to 0.7%.

It's the smokers.

20.8% of the US population are smokers according to the CDC. The combined health care costs attributed to smoking in the US are $167 Billion per year.

If there are 446,000 autoworkers, then roughly 92,000 of them are smokers. With an average cost of $4,477 per year based on their smoking.

That would be roughly $415 million that the big three auto manufactures are spending because 20% of their employees smoke.

Fire the smokers - it's a much bigger savings and they are causing a lot more damage than the gays are....

ridiculousness (none / 0) (#8)
by me on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 03:50:19 PM EST

First of all, the 2% number does not confirm that 2% of the population is gay. It only says that 2% of particpants take advantage of the benefits. Many same sex couples already have benefits through another employer.

Second, gays have less children than straight couples yet they pay a disproportionate amount for the benefits that straight couples enjoy. 2% paying for the 98% percent doesn't seem quite fair either (although the 2% number is probably higher as mentioned above).

Third, gay male couples are probably paying a disproportionate amount in taxes as well. Since both are likely to be bread winners with no kids and earn statistically more than women.

To assume that other workers should not pay for the benefits of one class of people is ridiculous - especially when those people already enjoy those benefits.

You should try putting the 6 million in perspective of the total cost. It is sort of like running a race in a car and on foot and trying to win the race by improving your running time. Focus on the bigger issue here folks! Ford, GM and Chrysler don't make cars that Americans want or can afford anymore. They need to focus on making better, smaller, more economical cars and cutting costs. It's that simple.

you had me until by Ed Burley, 12/11/2008 10:55:53 PM EST (none / 0)

On the other hand... (none / 0) (#10)
by andrew k on Fri Dec 12, 2008 at 10:49:00 AM EST

This post is EXACTLY why gay people want civil recognition of their relationships. People like you all feel that gay relationships are clearly less valuable, and worthy of being targeted for destruction and discrimination.

Save money by dropping domestic partner benefits - the clear implication here is that this is ok because gays don't matter.

Amen by Ed Burley, 12/12/2008 11:51:07 AM EST (none / 0)

Ahem (none / 0) (#12)
by jewpiterjones on Fri Dec 12, 2008 at 12:48:24 PM EST

"Radical Homosexual Agenda" = "Gays deserve dignity and respect"

What's that Headline? (none / 0) (#13)
by Jay321 on Fri Dec 12, 2008 at 01:45:50 PM EST

Why wouldn't you fix the headline after realizing your error? Now it just looks as if you are being intentionally misleading. Do your principles include honesty?

Good one, you're funny. by John Galt, 12/12/2008 02:18:45 PM EST (none / 0)

Save even more money (none / 0) (#15)
by ConGusto99 on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 09:01:15 AM EST

Hey, don't stop with the gays... If we can vote back in slavery (after all we voted to take away marriage in CA), then we save a huge amount by not having to pay African Americans.

Aaaaand with that we're going to by Nick, 12/15/2008 09:34:17 AM EST (none / 0)

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