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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    Deal on Budget Very Near - Source


    By DMOnline, Section News
    Posted on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 04:39:26 PM EST
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    Breaking: Source - Budget Deal Being Brokered

    According to an elected state legislator wishing to remain anonymous, here are the latest details concerning the pending budget deal (direct quotation from the source):
       

    Everything is set up for both a sales tax AND and income tax increase. The list of services have not been released yet, but I have heard that movie tickets, green fees and country club memberships are on it. My guess is that it will be much more expansive than that, but they will focus on stuff that "rich people" use.

        The "cuts" will be limited to new programs that the Governor has proposed in her current budget. With the total tax numbers I have heard - there will not be any real cuts. As for the reforms, there could be some good stuff there. but most would save money over time - not next year. This is because most would pertain to new hires only.

        The biggest are:

        1.) Transition in schools to 401K plans from pensions

        2.) School retirement health care vesting schedule increased from 10 years to 25 years

        3.) Break up the MESSA monopoly on school health insurance. $1.1 billion in no bid contracts. This is a huge rip off.

        The third is the one that is most in doubt because the MEA is fighting it the hardest. It is their cash cow and it is how they get the money to control the political system. It is the most important "reform".

        Does the MEA control the state? We will see when the final deal is struck.

    Stay tuned and start re-working your personal budgets. Unlike the state, you'll need to get by with less income after Jennifer and her gang raid your wallet.

    DMOnline
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    It's a start (none / 0) (#1)
    by geek49203 on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 05:30:36 PM EST
    I told my Legislators that I figured they'd go for a tax increase, perhaps limited to 2 years, but only after the Dems actually did some reforms that were painful to them.

    MESSA is a start.  A good start.  Changing to 401K programs is another good start.  Any word on the MSP Headquarters?  How about the judge positions?  

    Like most in the GOP, I'd only accept a tax increase if I was sure that everything that could be cut, was cut.  I'd like it a lot more if it was a 2-year shot...

    Betrayal (none / 0) (#2)
    by Calhoun Kid on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 07:21:17 PM EST
    This can't be right?  A double tax increase, no cuts to existing spending and the only reforms are for new teachers?  Give me a break.  This budget deficit is going to be resolved purely with tax increases!  At least make it a sales tax increase and give us a chance to turn it down at the polls!  Hopefully the Dims can't put up the votes.  Our only hope is their incompetence.

    Disgusting (none / 0) (#3)
    by Rougman on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 07:28:30 PM EST
    Yep, it will soon be time for us all to cut back a little so that we can feed the hungry mouths gorging themselves in the public trough.  

    The golden goose is dying.  Onward to socialism! (Or, more probably Texas.)

    As much as I don't like it (none / 0) (#4)
    by moderateme on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 07:35:31 PM EST
    I'm kind of curious to see what happens with this.  The reason is that economists are predicting a worse economy next year.  Once the taxes are raised this year with no real cuts and no increased spending, what happens next year?  Do they go back for more?  Does this debate get worse next year?

    What a joke (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Reagan on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 07:58:00 PM EST
    What happened to our Republican leaders sticking to their guns on NO tax increases? I told my wife today that the crisis will end by Sunday night with our so called "conservatives" allowing a tax increase and no real spending cuts. What is your take on this Nick? Bishop is a spineless little rat if he can't keep his party on track. What a disgrace.

    Worse? Yes. (none / 0) (#6)
    by DMOnline on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 08:01:14 PM EST
    Absolutely it'll be worse next year.  It is an ELECTION YEAR.

    I've asked my source to confirm which RINO's will be crossing over to the dark side.  No word yet.  But we've already heard certain names bandied about.  Within the next 28 hours we should know for sure.

    DMOnline


    WJR Yesterday (none / 0) (#10)
    by PMOTVRWC on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 09:21:03 PM EST
    had a guy on with Frank Beckmann and they were discussing next years budget and it is already estimated to be about 3 billion dollars short.  If this is true then of course granhole and the dems are going to come after more money.  They don't want reform and the republicans are showing they are to weak willed to stand up to them.  This is why republicans lose elections, they get weak in the knees at the first hint of trouble and abondon their principles to easily.

    Wow, what a bunch of panicked cynics (none / 0) (#13)
    by DMOnline on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 11:41:03 PM EST
    So if I were elected to the Senate or the House, I have to do whatever my party leadership tells me to do?  I thought I represented my district - not the party leadership.  But instead you're saying we don't live in a representative democracy anymore.  That's sad if true.

    There are RINO's and there are Republicans.  Do not confuse the two.

    But it's simple math, folks.  There's said to be a 1.75 BILLION dollar deficit this year.  The best the Republican Senate could do is come up with just shy of $1 billion in cuts.  That still leaves a $750 million deficit.  By law they must balance the budget.  And most Republicans didn't like what the billion in cuts would mean.  Where the heck are they going to get the other $750 million (let alone pass the billion in cuts through the Senate, House and get Granholm to sign it)??

    Do NOT get me wrong.  I detest the idea of tax increases of any kind.  Especially given our on-going single-state recession.

    But the simple reality is, you have a Democrat governor and Democrats running the House.  What do you REALISTICALLY think the Republicans can actually do?

    The best we can hope for is a modest tax hike in income and sales taxes and very real cuts and reforms in government spending.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.  And while you're at it, grow up and accept reality.  I understand your anger and frustration.  But the citizens of our state chose their government and we all have to live with it (or we could move to Texas as someone earlier suggested).  In the meantime, I fully expect a bloody defeat for the Dem in state races next November due to the fiscal mess THEY'VE created.

    DMOnline

    • Sell Out by Calhoun Kid, 09/30/2007 12:21:06 AM EST (none / 0)
      • Amen Calhoun by Reagan, 09/30/2007 08:42:15 AM EST (none / 0)
        • Ridiculous by DMOnline, 09/30/2007 09:38:09 AM EST (none / 0)
    The thing I keep going back to (none / 0) (#14)
    by Nick on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 12:09:37 AM EST
    is that of 73 total Republican legislators the Dems need to pick off TWO.  

    They control the House and they control the Governor's office.  

    It's been one heck of a battle and everyone (minus Ward and Garcia) has done a great job to this point.  And when someone gives in and goes along with the Democrats' job killing tax hikes... voters will take note.

    If they aren't recalled or termed out (and that's a big if) they might suddenly find themselves facing a primary challenge.  

    For the time being... (none / 0) (#17)
    by KG One on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 09:07:33 AM EST
    ...I'm going to reserve judgement until I see what's coming down the pipeline.

    Yes, Tim Skubick had regurgitated the very same schpeal several minutes ago on Channel 2.

    But for the moment, call me skeptical (and no, I'm not going to be an apologist for the GOP so just hear me out).

    Much like everything else being bandied about, I see this as yet another trial baloon being floated to gauge public reaction to tax hikes.

    With a shutdown just hours away, I feel that they are attempting to see whether or not the public will be more "agreeable" to having more of their money taken with the effects of a shutdown coming more into focus. Or, what I like to refer to as the guv & speaker taking their ball and going home.

    The best thing that we can do here is to continue to apply pressure on our elected "representatives" and let them know that this is unacceptable. Call their offices, e-mail them, have arguments ready against their speaking points (i.e. they have no "alternative" but to cut prisons, education, public health, etc.). For the record, I ask them just where do they want me to cut from my family's budget: health care, meals, utilities, mortgage (strangely, I have yet to get a response back on that one). Most importantly (and I realize that this is difficult now), be civil and polite.

    Don't use the recall threat when communicating with them. If your sen/rep decides to drink the kool aid, they are already aware that a recall is an option on the table and that we can always recall them later.

    And to address DMOnline's points above, unfortunately that's just poor leadership in the GOP's part. Just like any business deal, what should've been submitted was an amount greater than what was needed. They could've negotiaged down from there and still acheived the $1.75-$1.8 billion needed. Why that wasn't done is beyond me.

    The Reason Why... (none / 0) (#18)
    by DMOnline on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 09:31:50 AM EST
    ...the Senate Republicans submitted $1 billion in cuts and not, say, $2 Billion is because of what those cuts would really have to be.  They would be so politically unpopular, the Dems would have a field day with them.  Should they have stood on principle and submitted them anyway?  One can certainly make that case.  But it is understandible why they didn't do so.

    Nevertheless, the Republicans are the ONLY ones who've shown any leadership and responsibility in this process.  I think the majority of voters know this.  And it's our party's responsibility to communicate this along with the impact the Dems' tax hikes will have on the voters' and the state's economy.  They will be devastating.  But this is what happens when voters decide to give the controls of government to the Democrats.  A valuable lesson painfully learned.

    DMOnline


    And what difference would that have made? (none / 0) (#20)
    by KG One on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:02:32 AM EST
    They would've had a field day with that number if it were $2 million or $2 billion.

    Budget cuts are politically unpopular to democrats because it means that they could not pay back a particular constitutiency.

    On the flip side: more money to state gov't means less money for my family's budget.

    And again, I've yet to hear any suggestions to where I should cut my budget?

    Do I not pay my utilities? Skip doctor appointments? Not renew any 'scripts? Avoid those weekly trips to the grocery store? Or even better yet, tell the bank that I'm not paying my mortgage because the state took more of my money?

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