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    Sen. Mark Schauer (D - Boston) Abandons Michigan


    By Nick, Section News
    Posted on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 11:02:22 AM EST
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    I've become increasingly perplexed by some of Senate Minority Leader Mark Schauer's behavior over the last few weeks but today we're starting to get to the bottom of things.  

    Schauer, you may remember, is the guy who continues to insist that there was a deal reached between the House and the Senate and the Governor to raise taxes by $1.8 billion.  A claim that the Governor tried to validate by sending a bizarre letter back in June.  A letter that everyone from Andy Dillon to George Cushingberry to Lieutenant Governor John Cherry ran from as fast as they possibly could, recognizing immediately it was so much horse hockey.

    The Minority Leader's backed off his claim, if not by admitting he was wrong then by his subsequent actions and has been making as big a stink as he can in recent weeks about the fact the Senate needs to get to work on the budget.  Ignoring, of course, the fact that they are.

    I've made a few inquiries today and it's been confirmed that Senate Majority Leader Bishop and staff spent yesterday and are, as we speak, meeting again with representatives from the Governor's office and Andy Dillon's office to iron out the FY2008 budget.  These meetings weren't a surprise and happen frequently at the capitol.  But someone's been conspicuous by his absence.  

    First, lets take a look at some of  Mark Schauer's recent statements:

    He spoke to the Mining Gazette in the UP on August 1st:

    "(The Senate is) hurting students, they're hurting our families, and we need to step up to the plate and get our budget balanced quickly..."

    That was after he'd held a presser at the Capitol in Lansing to decry the lack of action.  Lansing insider and subscription only publication MIRS reported:

    Senate Minority Leader Mark SCHAUER (D-Battle Creek) held a press conference today to tell Senate Majority Leader Mike BISHOP (R-Rochester) and his Republican caucus to get to work...

    Schauer said he and his caucus members are sick of being "part of the no action Senate."

    Then at a roundtable a week ago to the day he told Lansing TV station WLNS:

    "By waiting, we're hurting the state, so we need to put games aside, get to the table and solve the problem and vote on it."

    So he's obviously taking part in these high level negotiations, right?  Clearly he is an important part of the process since he claims to have had first hand knowledge that deals were being reached.  Except, wait, no... he's not there.  He's not there today.  He wasn't there yesterday.  

    Where on Earth could he be?

    How about Boston!  That's right, Senate Minority Leader Mark Schauer's been talking quite the game these past weeks but he's literally abandoned negotiations to fly off to Chowd-Central.

    So now we know the where.  How about the why?  Why on Earth would he abandon budget negotiations to fly to Boston?  As The Associated Press reports this morning, the good Senator has bigger things on his mind than Lansing's problems these days.

    State Senate Minority Leader Mark Schauer, D-Battle Creek, may challenge U.S. Rep. Tim Walberg in the 2008 election after brushing off earlier overtures to enter the race.

    Schauer, who had pledged to Senate Democrats to serve out his full four-year term through 2010, said Wednesday he is discussing a bid for Congress with family, colleagues and constituents before making a "final decision."

    So much for the man's word.  Any lingering questions about his integrity have now soundly been put to bed.  But how, you ask, does a congressional bid have anything to do with Boston?

    The National Conference of State Legislatures is meeting there this week and being briefed on national issues by national figures.  In other words, he's getting a little taxpayer funded briefing on the things that'll matter most to a candidate for the United States Congress.

    His continued abandonment of high level budget negotiations suddenly makes so much more sense.  Who cares about Michigan when D.C.'s calling.

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    HOLY CRAP (none / 0) (#1)
    by jackietreehorn on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 11:05:30 AM EST
    Ned Flanders is running for Congress????

    All sound and no substance (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dutchsma on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 12:51:01 PM EST
    Shauer is, but in the interest of fairness and because it still peeves me, Peter Hoekstra made equally disingenuous remarks when he ran for Congress against Guy Vanderjagt.

    Hoekstra, at the time, told people he would only serve 6 terms (12 years) and that he would not accept special interest money.  He has since changed his mimd on both of these fronts.

    Sadly, there are liars on both sides of the aisle.


    don't give up just yet... (none / 0) (#4)
    by Nick on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 01:51:59 PM EST
    The poll numbers on the Dems in Congress are lower than low.  I mean, all-time record lowest in the history of humanity sort of low.

    At the same time the numbers on the President AND on the war are both steadily rising while a couple of known Dems in the military analysis field just published reports stating the surge may actually be working.

    Add on to that the fact that Michigan's top vulnerable GOP member, Joe Knollenberg has two Dems who'll be beating themselves senseless in a primary and Bart Stupak's waning support in CD01 and there all hope might not be lost.

    I don't know that it has to be a Democrat (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dutchsma on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 02:49:36 PM EST
    It could be a Republican who runs against him.  Hoekstra ran against an entrenched Republican in 1992 and beat him. So it is possible that someone could beat Hoekstra, but probably not a Democrat in that district.

    I'm not trying to beat up on the guy too much but I do believe a man's word is his bond.  If you break the promises you made to get elected, what promises have been broken since being elected?  

    Nick Smith kept his word about term-limiting himself.

    I didn't vote for him (none / 0) (#7)
    by Shell on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 03:36:29 PM EST
    Unfortunately, Schauer is my senator.  I do, however, think there's no chance he could beat Walberg.

    Schauer's district includes Jackson, which is in a  "do NOT tax us one more penny!" mode.  If he even thinks about raising taxes the voters will rip his head off.  I'll be one standing in line with my pitchfork.

    I wonder if the next election is going to be a serious anti-incumbent one because of the budget mess, Granholm's mismanagement and the threats of holding up the taxpayers again.  Any candidate is going to have to hold firm on NO NEW TAXES, and Schauer has no record of that.

    Shell,
    The Conservatrarian

    Of course (none / 0) (#9)
    by Nick on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 06:03:59 AM EST
    as frustrating as that might be for the "term limit" crowd (especially) there's the matter of Schauer making those promises last year and NOW already, less than a year in, saying he's going to break them.

    I agree with you (none / 0) (#10)
    by Dutchsma on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 08:14:56 AM EST
    on disliking someone for their positions but not for changing their mind. However, his promise is a little different than changing your taste in music.

    Now, I am not advocating that he be bounced from office because of this.  What I am saying is that when he ran for office promising he would only serve 6 terms and take no special interest money and he did not honor either of those promises.  These are questions of character and integrity.

    That he took PAC money then or now doesn't matter to me and would not have influenced my vote.  If he had not promised to serve only 6 terms would not have influenced my vote.  What does influence my vote is the honesty and integrity with which someone operates. And that is the same point Nick was making about Schauer.

    Can you really blame him? (none / 0) (#12)
    by gnu2u on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:42:06 AM EST
    Don't get me wrong - he makes my skin crawl.  But let's look at this from his side of the aisle.  He'd be challenging a freshman Congressman that has been targeted from day 1.  Said Congressman and his predecessor ran an expensive and nasty primary last time around, and it fractured the once solid Republican base in the 7th.  If he doesn't win, back to the state Senate he goes.  If he does win, either Simpson or Griffin could run for his Senate seat.  The only Republican that could challenge him would be Nofs.  

    The 7th CD has taken a hard left - Doug Spade upset Walberg in Lenawee; Doug was replaced by his brother, Dudley, who is now in his first term.  Simpson and Griffin replaced Mickey/Leslie Mortimer and Clark Bisbee- The only Republicans left in the district are Nofs and Caswell in the House and Brown in the Senate.  

    This will be a battle of the bucks (and I'm not talking about the ones with antlers)-who is the most effective fundraiser and who can get the most support on the national level.  Walberg raised lots of cash via Club for Growth during the last go-round; what remains to be seen is how much money the DNC can afford to dump into this race during a POTUS election year, and wether the Schwarz/Walberg fracture can be healed.  For the sake of the 07th, I hope it can.

    JG - Yes and No (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dutchsma on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 11:08:27 AM EST
    I agree that we seem to have different ideas on this and in some cases I think you're analogies are good and right on.

    For instance and while it is a laudable goal and I have no problem with officials who do take it or do not take it, saying you will not take PAC money is not necessarily wise if you want to be competitive financially in campaigns and it does "hobble" the candidate.

    Comparing your current taste in music  (or on an issue) to a promise to 750,000 people to only serve a certain amount of time is not the same, though.  You may like AC/DC right now and express your thoughts as such to others.  When saying "I really like AC/DC" you imply that you like them  right now.  It doesn't necessarily mean you will tomorrow.  

    But if you say "I promise (or pledge) to listen to only AC/DC from now until I die" you have made a promise that is binding (however inconsequential it may be).

    The same is true about Hoekstra and his promise to only serve 12 years.  Had his statements been more like "I may only serve 12 years" he would have said something entirely different. Whatever his reasons for making a promise like that (and I happen to agree that it was a silly thing to promise), whether it was political expediency or truly believing that he would only serve 12 years, are really immaterial since he promised people that he would only serve 12 years.  

    Back tracking on that promise is a character and integrity issue and it isn't any different than the one pointed out as a flaw in Schauer's integrity when he told people that he would serve his full term in the senate.

    Others made the same promise in 1992 - Nick Smith, for example - and they kept it.  He probably could have won re-election had he decided to run again but he, at least in my mind, did the honorable thing and kept his word.

    Changing your mind on an issue, like abortion, for example is not the same thing.  If you start telling people you are pro-choice and then upon further reflection determine that position is no longer consistent with your world view and decide the pro-life position is better policy for you, that is a principle change. Unless you promised to be "pro-choice today, tomorrow and for the rest of eternity" there isn't a problem.  If you did make such a promise your credibility would be in question (even though I would laud someone for making the right choice on the issue).

    Does that make sense?

    Spin zone Nick (none / 0) (#15)
    by NoviDemocrat on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 04:52:15 PM EST
    "The poll numbers on the Dems in Congress are lower than low.  I mean, all-time record lowest in the history of humanity sort of low."

    Yup, the same for the Republicans in Congress.

    "At the same time the numbers on the President AND on the war are both steadily rising while a couple of known Dems in the military analysis field just published reports stating the surge may actually be working."

    I think they went from 18% support to 20% support. As for those "known Dems", they've supported the war all along. They said that they think the surge is working militarily but most everything else is status quo or backsliding (Iraqi politicians for one). They have little credibility in Democratic circles because they've been pro-war cheerleaders since Day One and most people see this as simply more of the same from them.

    "Add on to that the fact that Michigan's top vulnerable GOP member, Joe Knollenberg has two Dems who'll be beating themselves senseless in a primary and Bart Stupak's waning support in CD01 and there all hope might not be lost."

    Doesn't matter what the Dems do in the primary, it doesn't change any of the reasons why Knollenberg is vulnerable (War in Iraq, out-of-touch, district trending blue). As for Stupak, that's more Republican kool-aid drinking trying to convince themselves of something that's not going to happen. I'm sure "Rocky" Raczkowski can tell you similar stories.


    Walberg (none / 0) (#16)
    by mrpepper3 on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 03:01:01 AM EST
    I'm a Democrat. I am ambivalent about Schauer, but I  am pretty confident that any competent Democrat would really give Walberg a run for his money. He is scandal prone and very foolish when it comes to picking his battles.

    The latest gaffe was comparing Iraq to Detroit. Are you crazy? I don't remember any bombs, gunshots, IEDs, etc. going off at the Lions game, nor on the drive in, nor as I waited in line at Chelio's.

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    He didn't make (none / 0) (#17)
    by Nick on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 10:30:03 AM EST
    that comparrison.

    He said some areas of Iraq were safer than the city of Detroit.  And he was right.

    Anyone who says he "compared them" and brings up bombs and IEDs is either a political opportunist or too lazy to read his comments in full to get a little context.

    And one thing he never did was lie to his constituents, telling them he'd serve a full term and then 1/4 of the way through back the heck out and abandon his position in the middle of a budget debate.

    It continually shocks me how little Democrats in this state are willing to admit their own guys make mistakes or are clearly in the wrong.  Just because you like the guys politics doesn't mean you have to back every bone headed move the man makes.  Have some integrity.

    Once you get a few blocks (none / 0) (#18)
    by snoopygirlmi on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 05:41:09 PM EST
    outside the renovated areas of Detroit - you notice a stark difference.  For instances, WSU has a great campus area/cultural area, but you get outside its boundaries and you know you aren't in a good area anymore.

    Unless you think houses that are falling apart and unkept yards are trendy.  

    The same goes for most of the renovated areas in the city.  Yeah, there are good areas, but there are a lot areas that still need improvement - if the city is going to "come back".  

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