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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    What Do Democrats Stand For?


    By Republican Yankee, Section News
    Posted on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 12:02:18 PM EST
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    It's a good question, and the answer is not as simple as you might think.

    While relaxing over the weekend and taking in lots of baseball (a passion that Nick and I both share), I was delighted when my brother, sister-in-law and nephew Alex came into Lansing for a visit.

    Not known to be the political type, my brother presented Alex to me (age 9) and said that he had a question.  "What is a Democrat?" the child asked.  I opened my mouth to answer him and found that nothing came out.  How do you explain something like this to a 9 year old?  Keeping my composure, I explained to Alex, the best I could, that there are mostly two types of people in government, Republicans and Democrats.  And I then went on to explain some of the differences.  I don't push my political views on others who are outside of the spectrum, I figure they'll find out when they're ready and formulate their own opinions.  My parents did me this honor and I feel that I owe that same respect to others.

    But in the case of little Alex, I'm afraid all I did was confuse the tyke.  I apologized to my brother for this, who chuckled it off and then launched back into our earlier conversation about Hideki Okajima (All-Star Reliever for the Boston Red Sox) and politics never re-entered the conversation.

    Long after they had left, I began to think about this question again.  "What is a Democrat?".  Normally, a political party or a person belonging to a political party is identified by the principles of their party.  So I thought harder about the "principles" of the Democratic Party and came up with nothing.  NOTHING!

    These are Democrats.  Democrats who "look out for the little guy" by increasing the minimum wage, but are the same Democrats who show me "ONLY" 1/5 of my income is being taxed and it should probably be 1/3.  I have to wonder at exactly what moment was I no longer the "little guy".

    These are Democrats.  Democrats who are "pro-choice" and want to (for the large part) legalize Marijuana.  People should have the right to do whatever they want with their own bodies, right?  But these are the same Democrats that are on a crusade to outlaw foods with trans fat and public smoking.  All while hiking taxes on beer, liquor and snack foods to "encourage" me to live a healthier life-style and not eat them.  Heck, these are even Democrats that try to tell me what kind of car I should be driving.  So much for letting people do what they want with their lives.

    These are Democrats.  Democrats who tout their alliance with the ACLU and damn the Patriot Act (an act that has possibly saved their ungrateful lives even if they won't ever know it) for intruding on our constitutional rights.  But these are the same Democrats who time afer time wage war on the 2nd amendment of the constitution and are now discussing the re-institution of the "Fairness Doctrine" as a way to try to "shut up" right-wing radio talk show hosts.  I've got to wonder why the ACLU hasn't stepped up to the plate to protect Sean Hannity's right to free speech on that one.

    These are Democrats.  Who believe that life begins at conception, but that abortion should be kept legal.  By definition, isn't that allowing for murder?  Governor Granholm?

    I could probably go on, but what you see when you really examine the "principles" of the Democratic Party is that they simply do not exist.  Instead you just cut to a core of expedient political rhetoric that is ever changing in the name of what is politically convenient at the time.

    So "what is a Democrat?".  Maybe some of our left-wing friends who visit this site can try to answer that one.  But I doubt that anyone, ever, truly can.

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    Definitions (4.00 / 1) (#1)
    by B Post on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 12:51:46 PM EST
    Definitions are always hard to peg people or ideas on.  And we'll never have true consitency no matter which party.  You cite the legalization of marijuana, though at its heart that's really more of a libertarian idea of being able to do whatever you want with your body.  It's more Democrat, however (in my opinion) if you want legalization as a juicy new revenue stream for taxes.  For an interesting read on this issue of marijuana legalization I would refer readers to this last week's piece by syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker here: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/kathleenparker/archive.shtml.

    I can cite similar inconsistencies about Republicans as well, especially at the federal level.  Republicans are supposed to stand for smaller, less intrusive government, though lately I can't see that as being a true core value either by their actions.  That's why lately I prefer labels more along the line of Conservative and Liberal, because there's a growing feeling that the Republicans at the national level are selling us out (Trent Lott's comments about conservative talk radio, votes on immigration, etc).  Cynically, Government is just starting to look like a struggle for power no matter which 'side' we're on.  Let's hope the State government doesn't start catching that disease too.

    I totally agree with B (4.00 / 1) (#2)
    by snoopygirlmi on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 06:16:28 PM EST
    Under GWB that we got NCLB and "medicare" reform and a lot of Republicans are perfectly okay with raising "sin" taxes, because well, they are "sins" and people shouldn't "be doing that anyway".  So, the moral Republican police decide to team with the let's regulate everything Democrats.  Great....so much for freedom of choice. 8-/

    Also , we can't ignore the divide between the "country clubbers" and the "social conservatives".  After all, Guiliani and Paul both say they are Republicans.  And a lot of Republicans are praying for the day when the RTL language comes out of the platform.  

    At least I can look at a Democrat and know most of the time I'm going to disagree with them.  They are at least consistent, unlike the Republicans.  

    Go Tigers (4.00 / 1) (#3)
    by detroithuh on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 06:46:52 PM EST
    I agree with B Post in that Republicans (at the federal level, mostly) are also guilty, but probably to a lesser extent than my party, of having some tension among their caucus on certain issues.

    And while that causes some confusion at times, I think the dissent among party rank and file makes it more interesting and a better cross-sketch of the American population. The vast majority of Americans aren't 100 percent liberal, nor are they 100 percent conservative; they fall somewhere in the middle. Hence, why many candidates swing to the middle during elections -- they aren't going to win parroting Democratic or Republican talking points, in most cases.  

    There certainly isn't uniformity in either party on the issue of abortion or the legalization of gay marriage. Same thing with Medicare reform. Ditto the Iraq war, foreign policy, the death penalty, and a host of other issues.

    And, at a cursory glance, the legislation and initiatives both parties bring up -- for example, your point about marijuana vs. trans fats and smoking -- are, to a certain extent, at odds. But when you consider that, to use your example, most 8 year old kids aren't going to be smoking marijuana, yet they can certainly be exposed to the dangers of trans fats and second hand smoke, it becomes a somewhat more complex issue.

    Also refer to an estimated $1 trillion to $2 trillion cost of the Iraq war vs. the idea of fiscal responsibility and keeping as many taxpayer dollars in their pockets. We, our children, our children's children, and possibly beyond, will be paying for this war. Plus, Bush hated the idea of nation-building and U.S. intervention in foreign lands when he was first elected in 2000 (granted, 9/11 put a damper on that philosophy, probably rightfully so). But that point has been exhausted.

    While I didn't answer the question of "What is a Democrat?" I don't think that's any harder to answer than, "What is a Republican?"

    Two quick things before I make myself unwelcome here even more than I already am: 01) Plenty of Democrats believe in few, if any, restrictions on the Second Amendment (I personally believe in few limitations, but carrying an Uzi for protection is going a bit overboard, in my opinion). 02) I believe the "party line", if you want to call it that, is that life begins at birth, not conception.

    FYI, I respect the fact you don't push your political beliefs on young children. I've known parents who did that to their kids and it just made things worse in the long run. Many kudos for that.

    Regards,
    DetroitHuh?

    DetroitHuh? (none / 0) (#4)
    by sandmman on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:22:40 PM EST
    Speaking for myself, I welcome your input. Your entries seem intellectual, to the point, and mature.

    Keep coming back. This is the type of dialogue we need.

    Sandmman (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by detroithuh on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:10:20 PM EST
    Thank you. I appreciate the sentiments, and look forward to future discussions/debates with you and other people on the opposite side of the political aisle. Take care, and be well.

    Regards,
    DetroitHuh?

    Yep, George W has made us mad.... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by RushLake on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 06:40:01 AM EST
    the thing is, we're more inclined to voice our objections to his deviations from conservatism such as the illegal alien amnesty bill. Heck, some of us actually objected to some of Engler's postions. DEQ was/is a stalinist disaster. How many lock step democrats are willing to object to anything that their fuhrer's do or say? Even when they do object (for public consumption mainly), they still show up at the polls and elect them--November 2006 anyone?

    Interesting... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Republican Yankee on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 11:52:20 AM EST
    I found the reactions to my original post to be surprising.  However, I feel that in a strange way the illustrate my exact point.

    My pointing out the Democrats' short comings led to quite the flood of comments against the GOP and why we lost our majorities in the 2006 elections.  This is because we Republicans feel that our PRINCIPLES have been abandoned.  When that happens, it is expected and should be expected for those in the party to get frustrated.

    My point is I don't see this same type of frustration coming from Democrats...EVER!  The only frustration that they seem to have with one another is that they can never seem to agree on anything.  As one Democratic US Senator once said "you couldn't get a consensus in my caucus on the time of day."  This is because their party lacks principles.

    "Amount of Frustration" (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by John Galt on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 02:42:46 PM EST
    Democrats are frustrated in their own circles, as much or more than Republicans.  I think we don't see it because of the circles in which we float.

    If you look at DailyKos or DemoncratUnderground... You see this struggle between the Environmentalists, Peaceniks, Communists, and all of the other splintered hippie groups you can think of.

    I'm sure there are an equal numbers of stories about how all of these splinter groups have affected past elections - generally smaller elections.  Perhaps the most recent memory is how John Kerry lost because of Ralph Nader.

    Even better - a story that's in progress right now.  Cindy Sheehan is threatening to run against Nancy Pelosi next year - unless something happens and they pull out of Iraq.  Now, I know Cindy Sheehan is a wacko... but the story is getting traction and I'm sure she'll get votes.  Enough to win?  We'll have to see.

    Let's see . . . (none / 0) (#10)
    by sandmman on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 03:33:48 PM EST
    Cindy Sheehan is a wacko

    Nancy Pelosi is .................WHAT?

    Nancy Pelosi, Cindy Sheehan (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by John Galt on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 07:41:19 PM EST
    Cindy Sheehan's a wacko.

    Nancy Pelosi is elected.

    Making what US Representatives make, she can afford a lot of uppers.  And botox.

    As to what brand of Wacko Leftism she is?  I don't know.  Maybe the best description is "holder hippie who longs for more Haight Ashbury drug trips".  I don't know, it doesn't matter.  The fracture and frustration is there in the Democrats, and they get more fractured than Republicans.

    John Kerry wasn't "green" enough.  Nancy Pelosi isn't anti-war enough.  Barrack Obama isn't black enough.

    Hey John Galt! (none / 0) (#12)
    by RushLake on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 06:25:00 AM EST
    My comment about November 2006 was in conjunction with my comments about dhimmicrats who vote lock step no matter what. My further comments were about the differences in the types of voters R vs d. Read the whole frigging statement and don't attack me with a piece of it. Perhaps I need to consider not visiting/posting on this site. I don't need some kid twisting my words. I can make my own frigging mistakes. You have no right to try to stiffle debate or comment with your misplaced passions.

    I worked the polls in November 2006 and listened to people make statements about how they were voting democrap "for the first time" because they were disgusted with the Republican's unethical behavior. They'd listend to the MSM shill for the 'craps and looked no deeper.

    Hey RushLake! (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by John Galt on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:04:30 AM EST
    Thanks for the feedback.  How, exactly, am I trying to "stiffle" debate here?

    You say Republicans are in lock-step, and Democrats aren't.  So I point out how ludicrous being in lockstep is, by what happened to us in 2006.

    I'm sorry you think i'm trying to stifle you.  You should definitely keep posting to RightMichigan (because they'll just delete your posts and your account on MichiganLiberal and the other scumblogs)... but also because we can disagree and still be Right.  

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