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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    I hope they did better in Civics than they did in Math...


    By Nick, Section News
    Posted on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:36:41 AM EST
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    Maybe now our friends in the Democrat party can finally get back to work in Lansing?  With the NCOIL conference officially wrapped in Seattle and the National Governor's Association eventually packed up and moved out of Traverse City there are no more excuses for the good people in the House Democrat Majority or the Governor's office to dawdle.  

    Not that they didn't get lots accomplished in Traverse City.  The Governor found several new and creative ways to attack the White House and blame Washington DC for Michigan's problems, including issuing a demand that the WH up funding dramatically on a Medicaid supplement for children.  

    Remember in third grade math when the teacher introduced us all to "story problems?"  I always hated those.  Apparently the governor and her friends in the NGA did as well.  

    The current program is funded at $25 billion a year.  They want $60 billion a year.  The President says he'll go to $30 billion a year.  So the governor's said they'd be willing to compromise at an increase to offset the rate of inflation.  According to the current "misery index" we're dealing with a 2.69% rate of inflation right now.  Lets round up to 3%.  How much of an increase do Governor Granholm and her friends need to satisfy their idea of compromise?

    Quick, whip out your calculators... did you get $25.75 billion?  An increase of $750 million?  Well you're wrong.  $25 billion adjusted for a 3% inflation rate is $39 billion.

    The governors said that an increase of at least $14 billion -- to keep up with inflation -- is needed.

    Heaven help us.  And if only the lunacy ended there.

    In the case of one visiting governor in particular, for Michigan's sake, the end of the conference couldn't come soon enough.  The Detroit News reports that Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell was making himself busy all weekend giving governor Granholm advice on how to deal with the current budget crisis.

    This is the same Ed Rendell who recently shut down the state government back home because of his intractable demand for tax hikes.  The is the same Ed Rendell who recently shut down the state government back home despite a $700 million surplus!  

    He just plain wanted to raise taxes.  

    Rendell said Granholm needs to let Republicans know she won't shy away from closure while working to avoid it.

    "And there's no plausible alternative in Michigan to a tax increase given the size of their problem," he said.

    No, I suppose there wouldn't be to someone who thinks tax increases and bigger government are the answer to a state's problems.  Oh, and for the record, they finally balanced the books in Pennsylvania without raising taxes a nickel, though they did increase government spending by $300 million in the coming fiscal year.

    Pocket change compared to the $2 billion in new spending Michigan's governor is asking for.  All while demanding a tax increase to offset what the administration continues to call a $1.8 billion deficit (remember, a closer look shows it's only about $1.19 billion).

    Of course Governor Rendell has overlooked the fact that no government has ever taxed their way out of a recession and that his protege has already threatened to close schools and kick people off medicaid so they die, but hey, whatever.  Details details.  

    Almost as if the universe knew that the conference needed a little (read: a LOT) business experience and expertise to counteract the babbling nonsense of tax-and-spenders like Rendell and Granholm, it looks like one former candidate for Governor in Michigan was also participating in a variety of events in Traverse City over the weekend.

    The FREEP reports:

    "I've been involved with the Republican Governors Association for a long time," (Dick) DeVos said. "And this gives me a chance to see and thank the folks who were very encouraging and helped me with my campaign."

    The paper didn't ask but I imagine he's better at math than many of the other conference guests.

    Read on...

    Brain-twisting numbers of a different kind are also in the news this morning as Ford and the UAW get down to business on contract talks.  The Free Press reports:

    After losing a record $12.6 billion in 2006, Ford is in the midst of its Way Forward turnaround plan. That effort already calls for closing 16 plants, eliminating 44,000 hourly and salaried jobs, as well as revamping cars and trucks.

    ...

    To give itself that chance, Ford plans to go after the UAW to reduce total hourly labor costs by $21 an hour, Ford insiders have told the Free Press. That would bring wages and benefits down to $50 an hour.

    Those numbers, best we can tell, are accurate.  No fuzzy Democrat math.  Total hourly labor costs at Ford are currently at $71 an hour.  To their credit (I guess), the UAW seems to legitimately understand that a measly $50 an hour is much more palatable.  A restructuring is under way and will continue.  Thank goodness the governor's decided not to interject herself into this discussion the way she did with Delphi.

    And finally this morning, the Oakland Press is reporting that the state GOP is all set to hold a convention should the legislature and the governor balk at permitting a joint Presidential Primary next February.

    A Republican Party committee has voted 13-2 in favor of a Jan. 25-26 state convention as a fall-back plan, rather than holding caucuses as the Democratic Party has done for the past three presidential election cycles.

    At the same time, a Michigan Senate committee Wednesday approved legislation that would set a state-run primary Feb. 5 or Jan. 29. The bill assumes that Anuzis and Brewer will reach agreement on a primary date.

    It's no secret that I'm not a fan of the caucus or convention systems.  No one with much sense is.  The ball is squarely in the court of the House Democrats and the Governor on this one.  The Senate is moving the appropriate legislation but there's no indication they're ready to do anything in the Democrat controlled House and certainly no indication the governor will sign it if they do.

    How often do Mark Brewer and Saul Anuzis agree on anything?  But they agree on this.  Lansing Democrats should get off their hands and approve the joint primary.  It isn't a Republican issue or a Democrat issue.  It effects both party's elections.  What this change is really about is making Michigan a player on the national scene and preventing the disenfranchisement of millions of voters that'll occur without their action.

    Keep the Presidential hopefuls coming through the state.  Keep Michigan issues at the front of their minds.  Make them remember every single day that we're going through tough times in this state and that we can use all the help we can get (what with a senior Senator who can't end Michigan's donor status after decades in office).  All of that and you help a couple million people vote who wouldn't otherwise have a voice?  There's no downside.  For one of the very few times in her term the governor should grow up and do the right thing.

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    Be Careful Nick (none / 0) (#1)
    by B Post on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:35:17 AM EST
    That you don't misrepresent the a situation in the same vein as what you were just chastising the universities and Governor for doing.  By not elaborating on it, you implied that the $71 per hour rate that Ford is quoting is what the UAW workers are making.  The number represents the fully burdened hourly rate that it costs to have an employee on the payroll.  This includes direct costs such as wages and benefits.  But this also includes indirect costs such as plant costs, managers wages, human resources and so on that bill to the budget indirectly.  My guess is that actual direct costs are around $40-50 per hour, and health care is a real heavy hitter for both active empoyees and retirees (I'm pretty sure that cost is separate from this dollar figure though) that is killing the big three.

    umm... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Nick on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:53:20 AM EST
    Yeah, no, B, I see where you're coming from but I think you're carrying some preconceptions into your reading of the post.  

    I quoted the news article.  And then I even repeated myself what they said... "Total hourly labor costs at Ford are currently at $71 an hour."

    But thanks for checking out the site and sharing your thoughts.

    Most people would read this (1.00 / 1) (#4)
    by NoviDemocrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:31:30 AM EST
    " To their credit (I guess), the UAW seems to legitimately understand that a measly $50 an hour is much more palatable. "

    and read that to be the hourly wage. How many job postings have you seen state the salary or wage per hour including the cost of benefits? None that I've seen recently.

    sure (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Nick on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:46:17 AM EST
    if they read it in a vaccuum or as a stand alone sentence.

    But seeing as how it followed a direct quote and a second expository sentence only trolls would have a problem with it.

    Oh, look, in my first sentence in THIS very post I typed "they read it in a vaccuum."

    I must be accusing someone of not only existing with sustained life inside a black hole but having internet access and the ability to read in total and complete darkness.  

    That's impossible on so many levels... what a liar.  The claim must be a part of some nefarious republican scheme.  You caught me.

    I love it when people complain (1.00 / 1) (#7)
    by NoviDemocrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:12:20 AM EST
    about the pay for jobs that they would never do. Unless you've worked in their shoes, how do you know if the pay is fair or not? Most people don't want to dig ditches or clean toilets but I would bet that most people thinkt that the people who do are overpaid because it's not "skilled" work or requires an education. Why is it that the guy or gal working the line is the one who's overpaid because they don't have the education you do, or the job title you do, or they don't have to wear a suit to work, and somehow that makes them less entitled to the pay that they get? I think I smell a little class resentment in the air.

    I don't need to get stepped on (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Nick on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:41:15 AM EST
    by an elephant to know it hurts.

    Most of my life, if you took pay and benefits together and broke them out hourly I've been right around $5 myself.

    That's reality for most people.  Now not everyone averages the sort of hours a political hack does, but plenty of people do.  And plenty of people work harder and for less.

    Now don't get me wrong... on one hand you should get what you can get.  If you can get $20 an hour go for it.  $100?  Good on you.  No hate.

    True, Nick (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Dutchsma on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 01:10:57 PM EST
    But it also seems fair to say that a person who is making $70 an hour (including benefits, etc.) to use a torque wrench to screw lugnuts on a car is not in a position to complain when the company they are working for starts looking at the numbers and begins to realize they are paying too much for that labor and need to cut costs.

    Short term the guy screwing the lugnuts on the car is going to lose some income if the the company actually follows through on cutting wages and/or benefits.  But long term, that person will still have a job that pays reasonably well and provides decent benefits.

    Alternatively, the car company can continue on its current course, continue to lose market share, continue to lose money and continue to lay people off until the company is no longer viable or in business.  Then the guy making $70 per hour (including benefits and everything else) and all of his fellow workers is out of a job, has no income and is suddenly further behind than he would have been if he had taken the initial compensation package cut.  Did the union give the guy good advice by demanding more money and benefits or did it screw him?

    At some point some people will need to realize that companies are in the business to make money.  When they have high skilled labor (as Michigan's companies do) that turn out quality products and the company compensates the workers fairly, they both make money.  When a union gets greedy and tries to stick it to a company trying to right is course, everyone will lose.  I doubt many people would object to the compensation package workers get if it was competitive and the company was successful.  That is not the case with the Big 3.

    And, to argue that these companies do not care about their employee's or their employee's welfare is bunk.  Look at Delphi which continues to manufacture spark plugs in the U.S.A. at a loss because their workers make better plugs than anywhere else.  They could easily compromise the quality of the spark plugs to lower their cost and actually make money on them. But the job the American worker does is better than anywhere else and they want to continue to employ the people who make the best even though it's a terrible business decision from a profit standpoint.

    Yep... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Nick on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 01:14:00 PM EST
    that's the flip side for sure.  Absolutely.

    retirees (1.00 / 1) (#12)
    by NoviDemocrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 03:52:22 PM EST
    "they'll agree that the pay and benefits are exceedingly generous"

    Compared to what? CEOs who loot corporations and then jump with golden parachutes(K-Mart as an example)? Energy traders who manipulate the energy markets at the public expense (Enron)?  Pro athletes who get millions to play a game?

    silly us (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Nick on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 04:05:22 PM EST
    forgot that "profit" is spelled with four letters.

    Atheletes who make millions?  That's a new bugaboo at least.

    Novi... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Dutchsma on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 06:01:07 PM EST
    Are you saying the person who starts a company, puts up all his own capital, takes all the risks in the world to make a company successful should not compensate himself well?  It's his company, his money.  And while some are CEO's of publicly held companies, aren't those people the ones who are ultimately responsible for the direction of the company and its results?  Shouldn't they be compensated for that?

    If that is your argument, you are arguing for the antithesis of capitalism.  But if that's what you think, fine.  History is replete with examples of the failure of this kind of system.  I'm not defending the people who participate in schemes like Enron because they are obviously wrong.  But to those who take the risks go the rewards.

    Of course I wouldn't argue with you if you thought our governor was overpaid.  For most people in that position it would probably not be enough.  But in this case, her level of incompetence far exceeds her abilities making her 6-figure salary out of line with the work she does.  

    Irony in Granholm's Appointment? (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by sanuzis on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 08:05:42 AM EST
    Does anyone else see the irony of the NGA appointing Granholm to Chair the Committee on Economic Development and Commerce?

    CEOs (1.00 / 1) (#24)
    by NoviDemocrat on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 09:01:55 AM EST
    RushLake, you attacked my comment about how the CEOs who are running those companies into the ground are overcompensated. Nice attempt to walk back your comments.

    Thank you, I stand (none / 0) (#32)
    by RushLake on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:17:32 AM EST
    Corrected! Yesterday was my day to be nice this month, I was just trying to be nice. Hope you understand.

    Part right, part wrong (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Dutchsma on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 09:42:26 AM EST
    I agree with you that what state government does can have little impact on what large companies like the Big 3 do.  However, it can also have a large impact.  The tax structure, depending on what it is, can have a significant negative impact on any company - large and especially small.

    I also agree that some CEO's make a lot of money.  That, however, is a decision that is made by the shareholders and the board of director's.  While I may disagree with the compensation package they receive, it's a decision that is made by the people who have a vested interest in the company.  Additionally, who am I to decide what public or private companies should pay someone when I have no interest in the company?  Frankly, it's none of my business.  If I owned a company or had a voice at the table of a company, then I have a vested interest and may choose a different package.  Another fundamental disagreement here, and I'm reading between the lines on this, is that there is no way I would tell a company or a person that they are making too much profit or too much money.  Since when did we decide to demonize people and companies who are financially successful?

    Back to the governor.  To be clear,the Governor signed an MBT plan that was passed by the Legislature.  She was involved in negotiations resulting in the final package but it isn't the plan she wanted originally.  She can claim credit for it - and all politicians do this sort of thing - but she is not responsible for the passage of the legislation.

    Additionally, while I agree with you that the state has little to do with the economic cycles in Michigan, this governor has run around for years saying that the economic problems in this state are a result of John Engler and George Bush.  If they had such a negative impact, then why would she not also be responsible for what is happening here?  And why is she not responsible for correcting it?

    You may say that she has a plan - and anyone who lives in Michigan has heard this from her - and her plan is working.  That, however is not true.  When unemployment continues to be the worst or nearly the worst in the country and businesses are closing doors or choosing not to locate in Michigan her plan is obviously not working.

    Additionally, her plan involves giving tax credits and other tax incentives to companies to entice them to remain or move here.  This is corporate welfare and exactly what you have argued against in the past.

    Finally, what has she done to make Michigan a better place to live, work or own a business?  You can point to the MBT and that's fine but all that does is give businesses an idea of what it will cost to do business in Michigan.  It did nothing to make Michigan a better place or help businesses create jobs or improve education in the state or keep young children from being killed by their foster parent.  I could go on, but I think you see what I'm saying.

    We are going to disagree on whether she is doing a good job or not.  Obviously, I think she is doing a terrible job and there is enough evidence that can be cited to back this up.

    Should she be fired?  Absolutely.  

    economy (1.00 / 1) (#35)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 11:15:24 AM EST
    I don't blame John Enger for the economic crash near the end of his term. As I said, I think governors get too much credit or blame for the economic success or failure in their state. Most of what happens has little to do with what they do in office. My beef with Engler and Republicans is how they reacted to the economic downturn. They thought they could ride out the downturn so they kept cutting taxes and didn't cut spending. That created the structural deficits the state's been trying to battle for the past 7 years. But the economy didn't turn around even with those tax cuts. Bad call on their part and they do deserve the blame for that.

    "It did nothing to make Michigan a better place or help businesses create jobs or improve education in the state or keep young children from being killed by their foster parent. "

    What kind of nonsense is this? Your side said tha the SBT was a job killer and that we needed a replacement that was more business-friendly. Most of the changes that were incorporated into the MBT were done for that purpose. Now you're claiming that the MBT is no more geared towards businesses than the SBT? Then why did we bother changing it?

    Oh, and the Dumb-o-cRATs in (none / 0) (#36)
    by sandmman on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 11:36:34 AM EST
    Michigan government currently are trying to rein in spending?

    Right.

    The MBT (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Dutchsma on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 12:56:30 PM EST
    is more business friendly than the SBT for some businesses.  Although I think some businesses will be getting stuck with a much higher tax burden.

    My point, though, was not with the MBT.  It was with the suggestion that Governor Granholm has actually done anything to improve the quality of life for people and businesses in Michigan.  Her mantra of "I have a plan and the plan is working" does not accomplish this goal.  Her plan, whatever it is outside of tax credits, etc. for businesses, is clearly not working.

    That was the point of the long diatribe.  The MBT was brought in only because you suggested she should receive full credit for it.


    What's working (1.00 / 1) (#38)
    by NoviDemocrat on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:58:06 PM EST
    I disagree. Look at the employment numbers outside of manufacturering and the auto industry. Many of those sectors are showing positive growth. But there's so much loss in the manufacturing and auto industry that those gains are being seen yet.

    Not really (1.00 / 1) (#40)
    by NoviDemocrat on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:10:37 AM EST
    the only growth area that I've heard is hit by the MBT is the insurance companies. Otherwise, many companies will benefit by not being taxed when they add employees and reduced rates on personal property.

    Name them (1.00 / 1) (#42)
    by NoviDemocrat on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 04:58:49 PM EST
    The majority of businesses are faring better under the MBT by their own estimation. Which ones are not?

    Ha! (1.00 / 1) (#44)
    by NoviDemocrat on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 12:16:44 AM EST
    Go with it although the Governor and her family are from Northville, not Novi.

    As for the impact, from what I've read the Chamber and other business groups had no problem assessing the impact of the MBT as it was being proposed. Patrick Anderson indicated that the primary hit is on insurance and financial institutions. As insurance companies were enjoying some of the lowest rates in the county at the expense of a lot of businesses being forced to shoulder a greater percentage of the SBT, it makes sense that they would have to pay more. Many of the growth industries are outside of insurance and financial and will benefit from the MBT. To quote Anderson again:

    "72 percent of businesses in the state will see a
    decrease in their taxes. There's a 65 percent cut
    in equipment taxes for industrial firms and a 23
    percent cut for other companies."

    This is what your complaining about?

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