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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    MIGOP Chair Saul Anuzis First Right Michigan VBLOG


    By sanuzis, Section News
    Posted on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 01:48:38 PM EST
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    thanks for checking in on us, Saul. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Nick on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 01:52:21 PM EST
    And you're so right about there not being a rush.  Let's make the changes and do them right.  

    Very cool to see so many people in leadership positions paying attention to the blogosphere and recognizing how important the "new media" and the netroots are and will be.

    Don't rush is right, precident is all around us. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by trainjunkie47 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 03:15:26 AM EST
    Saul has it nailed.  We do not need to rush this.  Michigan's legislators do need to approach this budget mess with a sense of urgency though.  This has to be done correctly just as much as swiftly.

    Need a good example of why not to rush things just for the sake of accomplishing something?  Take a look to Washington, where certain other politicians are trying to ramrod through something called immigration reform.  The line we are being fed is that this is better than doing nothing.

    Granholm and other democrats in Lansing need to come to the realization that the taxpayers of this state are not a bottomless well.  Many things our government does on a daily basis can be done cheaper, with the same quality or better, in the private sector.

    Budget woes (none / 0) (#5)
    by sandmman on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 07:13:56 AM EST
    Two-Penny Jenny & First Lady Donnie Mulhern knew the budget was a mess last year long before campaigning. Did she say anything about that?

    NO

    Now Chicken Little Jenny is running around saying, "The sky is falling. The sky is falling. Something MUST be done about the budget problem IMMEDIATELY!"

    Sorry about that, hon. All your political posturing is getting very, very old.

    Go back to Hollywood - or maybe Bollywood! - and see if you can't get a bit part in one of their productions.

    Even better, she could star in one of Michael Moore's mindless productions!

    • Time for Recall by when will they ever learn, 06/28/2007 08:56:04 PM EST (5.00 / 1)
    Mother sues Governor, Marianne Udow and 12 others (1.00 / 1) (#6)
    by when will they ever learn on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 08:01:59 AM EST
    http://www.atwoodcs.com/lynnae_fed_suit.doc

    Mom sues in Federal District Court- Governor Granholm, Michigan DHS Director, Marianne Udow as well as Midland Co DHS, Midland City police department and several actors both in their official capacities and personally for violation of both the Michigan and U.S Constitution, Michigan statutes, DHS Policies and procedures.

    quick suggestion (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Nick on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 08:10:46 AM EST
    Tell us about your issue... don't just post a link to a legal suit.

    Many won't click through to a .doc file to begin with and while I know a few lawyers who read the site most of us don't have our JD.  :)

    • Lawsuit by when will they ever learn, 06/28/2007 08:56:56 AM EST (1.00 / 1)
      • or maybe by Nick, 06/28/2007 09:22:36 AM EST (5.00 / 1)
    Ya know, it's funny, CG. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by John Galt on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 08:13:43 AM EST
    Grandmole was in such a hurry to get the 2007 budget finalized.  And it took her 6 months to do it.  The Republican Senate isn't the only group in Lansing with power.  We have two branches of Government ran by constipated Democrats.

    They took junkets to California and Mackinac Island.  They did their 3-day workweek and went home to their constituents.  

    And now, after failed attempts at 'cracking the whip' on the Legislature... she wants a budget for 2008 by July 4th?  I don't see anyone from the House in Lansing today.  I won't see anyone from the House in Lansing tomorrow.  I won't see anyone from the House in Lansing on Wednesday, July 4th either.

    So don't tell me "The house is doing their job."  Bullsh!t.  Your love-monkey of a boss isn't there hammering out a deal today.  Your love-monkey's boss, Grandmole, isn't breathing down his neck to push out a turd and call it a budget.  Is the budget important?  Sure.  But I take the words of people who play dirty pool with extreme trepidation.  

    You're welcome to politick this and demagogue it on your MichiganLibel echo chamber.  We see it for what it is here.

    "No Clicking on the Link" (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by John Galt on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 12:07:46 PM EST
    Sorry, I don't click on links to .doc files.

    I do not like having Macro viruses infect my system, and I can't say that I trust virtually anonymous websites, despite the tragedy being told.

    The document can be easily formatted to HTML or PDF, which is safer and more inviting.

    • lawsuit link by when will they ever learn, 06/28/2007 12:34:54 PM EST (1.00 / 1)
    Chicken (1.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Communications Guru on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 03:14:03 PM EST
    Who and what are you talking about, Galt? Nick here can't stand up to real debate, and he deleted my comment. I guess we know why anuzius doesn't allow any comments at all and this guy only allows comments from fellow rightwing extremists. Before it's too late I hope the Senate Republicans stop playing political games and address the problems of our state they created, but I'm not holding out much hope.

    if anyone's curious (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Nick on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 03:16:16 PM EST
    click SEARCH and search for COMMENTS BY Comm Guru and Novi Dem.

    You'll find scores of them.  

    I deleted one comment that made a crude sexual reference.

    Typically I think you guys do my job for me with the sort of stuff you spout off about.

    Unlike another blog I know this site has a VERY LIBERAL trolling policy.

    Hey Commie Guru (none / 0) (#15)
    by sandmman on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 03:55:45 PM EST
    Thanks for your invaluable input.

    Always great to hear from those with limited intelligence.


    Can't stand the heat (1.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Communications Guru on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 09:10:22 PM EST
    A "crude sexual reference?" You must be joking? I don't get how I can be a troll when in order to post you have to register. You can troll all you want on my blog, and you can post comments anonymously. I'm not afraid to back up what I write, and for my limited intelligence I have never been out debated by any rightwing extremist on it or any other blog. Again, I have no control over what goes on or who posts on Michigan Liberal. If I "act nice, your posts stay?" What another load of crap. I really could care less what you do with my "account." It seems pretty worthless when you can arbitrary delete any post you want for any reason just because you don't like it.

    Hey Nick (none / 0) (#19)
    by sandmman on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 06:52:26 AM EST
    The Commie Guru wrote, "I really could care less what you do with my 'account'."

    Let's get rid of him.

    We've listened to his tales told by an idiot - toss him off. Let him go back to Michigan Libel.

    Anyone else feel the same way?

    Sandmman (1.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Nick on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 07:49:47 AM EST
    Nah, that's what he wants.  That's the goal of guys like him... say as many crazy things as they can in post after post on story after story so that finally someone will get fed up, shut them out and then they can run home to mom and dad and tell them what mean people conservatives are.

    That's why you'll see little snide remarks from these guys after every story.  They dont' want to talk about the issues.  It isn't that they care.  They just want to have the last word, stir up some shiz and try to get under your skin.

    Just don't let them.

    I try to ignore them half the time, especially the craziest of stuff.  Frankly, they do a better job of illustrating my point about taxocrats half the time than I ever could.

    But I will say one more thing about the topic of open forums and the ability to post.

    Well, a couple things.

  • The fact we're having this conversation here in public shows that no matter how someone wants to paint conservatives or right leaning blogs as a whole, RM is unquestionably open for debate and dialogue so long as it isn't completely crass.  

  • Claiming one has "never" been defeated in a debate is silly for more reasons than I could list.  But hey, if it makes you feel better to tell everyone you're the best debater in the blogosphere because you said so then be my guest.

  • There was a claim that someone had no say over what they did on a leading lefty blog community website as far as stiffling dissent.  That was followed by a little more vitriol about how opposing view points were somehow being stifled here.  

    A quick check of all of the stories currently in the front page cue at that leading lefty blog community and of all of their comment sections reveals that this individual is not having this same conversation on that site.  

    Were the issue truly about stiffling dissent then it would stand to reason that the good fight would be fought on both fronts.  Clearly this individual has no say over what they do on that other site.  Nor do they have any say what we do on THIS site.

    As the battle is NOT being waged on both fronts reasonable people MIGHT conclude that railing about the issue here and not there illustrates a partisan political ideology rather than a broader political philosophy.

  • Since RM's launch four comments and one story have been removed.

    Three of the comments and the story were authored by conservatives.

    One comment was authored by a liberal.

  • Finally, a tip for debaters (and even 'master debaters' can use some help from time to time)... typically the first person to drop sexually explicit language, the "F bomb" or the name "Hitler" into any debate has pretty much lost as of that moment.

    Rant over.  We now return you to your regularly scheduled trolling session.

  • misinformation and outright lies (none / 0) (#21)
    by Communications Guru on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 10:20:52 AM EST

    More misinformation and outright lies. The simple fact is you have deleted at least two of my comments. You have ducked the question of why that is, and I have never made a "crude sexual reference" on any blog. The problem is why bother to write a reasoned response when it is deleted for a reason you can make up.

    The "goal of guys like me" is to simply correct your misinformation, but I do have to admit there is so much of it I can't keep up. Instead, I do it on my own blog. I really could care less if you "shut me down" or not. If you really want to talk about the issues I suggest you visit the Conservative Media. I don't censor anyone there like this guy does.

    A few points, RM unquestionably stands for censorship, and it stifles debate.

    You are correct that it was silly of me to say I "have never been out debated by any rightwing extremist." The real truth is I have never been bested in persuasive writing by a rightwing extremist. Now, to say I'm the best in "blogosphere" is truly silly, and that's why you said it and I didn't. I like persuasive writing, and it seems to me the best place to do that is where people have a different view. I understand I will be personally attacked, and I have become accustomed to that.

    Again, I do not control the debate or posting on Michigan Liberal, and I also don't believe debate is being stifled there. Hell, we even let anuzis spout his nonsense there when he refuses anyone else to do the same on his so-called blog. However, I have proof it is being stifled here because it happened to me. The claim that "this individual is not having this same conversation on that site" is true. That is simply because there is no one on Michigan Liberal putting out the kind of lies and misinformation we see here. That brings me back to the original reason for my post. This was the only opportunity I have ever seen to comment on some of the crap anuzis has put out.

    Yes, "clearly this individual has no say over what they do on that other site." So what is the point of that statement? Again, I have never used "sexually explicit language, the "F bomb" or the name "Hitler"" in any blog posting that I am aware of. Perhaps I may have used the word Hitler, but I don't recall. I know I have never used it here. I don't know what I am doing can be called trolling. Is what I am doing any different than anyone else? When I see something that interests me I post. I'm sure every registered user here does not comment on every single post, so why is that not trolling?

    Censorship? (none / 0) (#22)
    by John Galt on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 01:10:42 PM EST
    Censorship can only be done by the government.  You can take your debate over to MichiganLibel... where... uh... the echo chamber just deletes anyone who says they're a Republican.

    Nick, keep deleting this kind of trash.  

    Commie Guru just wants to keep throwing accusations of lies and censorship, instead of adding anything constructive.  

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