But statists adopted the word and, of course, trashed it with their "big-government rules all" "the collective is more important than the individual" crap. The public learned to despise the word "liberal".

So these same statist collectivists needed a new word. They picked another perfectly good word - "progressive" - which they will now trash with their dysfunctional, immoral ideological garbage.

Then they will abandon the word "progressive" and pick a new word to destroy.

But stevemason does not provide enough entertainment or challenge. I am sure we could find a collectivist leftie who would provide a bit more difficulty or research or thought to rebut.